Act of Valor

[Greg_VP]

FA will always have a role in FIBUA, including room clearing.

And it has always been portrayed in movies far more than it has ever been actually used in real life.

The military does not teach any application of full auto fire in FIBUA, it simply isn't done by anyone (up to and including the highest level infantry types).

About the only use of full auto fire I had suggested to me was during patrolling operations for certain break contact drills.

I can definitely agree with your second point, however.

 

[F22_RaptoR]

The military does not teach any application of full auto fire in FIBUA, it simply isn't done by anyone (up to and including the highest level infantry types).

About the only use of full auto fire I had suggested to me was during patrolling operations for certain break contact drills.

I can definitely agree with your second point, however.

+1.

Even with room clearing, to get off 2 or 3 quick shots you are MUCH faster than using a even a 3-5 round burst from an auto gun. Not to mention if you hit the guy in the chest and he doesn't stop, then that's another 3-5 rounds you need to put into his head after you squeeze off another burst.

By the time all is said and done if there is another target in the room, not ONLY have you plugged up the stack of guys behind you and anybody else in the room now has the drop on you AND your stack.

You can't effectively move and shoot except for strait ahead, so the whole deal when room clearing is to get off a shot or two and move out of the way and into your corner of dominance. Getting off 1 or 2 quick rounds is MUCH quicker than squeezing off a full auto burst that 3 or 4 of the rounds may not even go onto the target.

 

[blaxsun]

+1.

Even with room clearing, to get off 2 or 3 quick shots you are MUCH faster than using a even a 3-5 round burst from an auto gun. Not to mention if you hit the guy in the chest and he doesn't stop, then that's another 3-5 rounds you need to put into his head after you squeeze off another burst.

By the time all is said and done if there is another target in the room, not ONLY have you plugged up the stack of guys behind you and anybody else in the room now has the drop on you AND your stack.

You can't effectively move and shoot except for strait ahead, so the whole deal when room clearing is to get off a shot or two and move out of the way and into your corner of dominance. Getting off 1 or 2 quick rounds is MUCH quicker than squeezing off a full auto burst that 3 or 4 of the rounds may not even go onto the target.

Did you at least like the movie?

 

[D 23]

The standard issue rifle is the mk18, they can not use "whatever" they want. Have in certain situations guys used other rifles yes but the Daniel Defense mk18 has become the staple of American SF.

They use whatever they want when it's required to do the job. When they need something specific they get it. I said they had standard issue weapons.

I suppose I should have worded it better.

FA will always have a role in FIBUA, including room clearing.

Gone are the days of spray and pray. Room clearing is chest, chest, head. AKA: Hearts and minds. The drills have evolved since Bosnia.

Peelbacks on ambush are the only FA drills left in this century. Not that it's taught much.

 

[Alfonso]

Wow! I wasn't expecting such a response and debate. Personally, I liked the movie. I have read many books on BUD teams (Vietnam era), modern Seal, etc....and thought the use of real seal operators was effective. After all, they are the guys really doing this stuff. I saw an interview in which the Seals specifically made it clear to the producers that they would not do anything in the movie that they would not be cable of doing in real operations or which they felt was unrealistic or too Hollywood.

 

[Matt_dal123]

SEALS can be clubbed.
Deltas can be dealt with.
Berets can be beaten.
SOCOM can can get broken.

But nothing beats.

The A-Team.

***CUE A-TEAM MUSIC***

 

[Dohhunter]

I loved the movie. Although I found the ending "frag" scene to be pretty cliche. But still.....loved it.

As mentioned already in this thread, read about Michael Monsoor. That scene was homage to his bravery and sacrifice.

 

[skrypnyk]

One thing....

1. The RPG that flupped the truck, Fireball come on... stop it with the fireballs

Other then that, loved it. seriously some people knock the acting, but its like man, they actually do this, actually that makes up for everything

 

[sapper043]

Full auto is for trench clearing warfare. Not something common on todays battlefield.

I was disapointed by the movie. It had potential but they messed it up. You would think having actual military for actors that they would have had; at least for the weapons handleing (lasers, HWS) correct.

 

[Petrock]

The military does not teach any application of full auto fire in FIBUA, it simply isn't done by anyone (up to and including the highest level infantry types).

About the only use of full auto fire I had suggested to me was during patrolling operations for certain break contact drills.

I can definitely agree with your second point, however.

Aussie peel back is the only time I've actually fired the rifle sustained full auto.

 

[Jet A-1]

I thought it was a good movie. It kept me interested and entertained. As for the acting, I thought it was refreshing to see an action movie without the same old guys we always get (Stallone, Shwartzie, etc.). I sort of thought that the actors being actual Seals gave the film an aire of realism we don't often see in movies of this type. No doubt some of it was dumbed down for the average, not necessarily gunnutz movie viewer but it was still worth a night out.

 

[hakx]

Aussie peel back is the only time I've actually fired the rifle sustained full auto.

Same. There's that, OR clearing a trench OR when your death is pretty much eminent on the wrong side of an ambush.

 

[lonely_wolf]

Absolute garbage IMO. [...] Should have made a 10 min youtube video and left it alone. [...]

Typical American propaganda formula.....

Funny you say that. Did you know it was originally meant to be a recruitment commercial? Some big shot liked what they saw and decided to go for gold... It is what it is.

 

[syncro]

Same. There's that, OR clearing a trench OR when your death is pretty much eminent on the wrong side of an ambush.

+1, but you also forget when conducting a Mexican unload. Duh!

 

[Steve Janes]

I am sadly not surprised by the reaction of most....

This was an entertaining action movie, really I enjoyed it, the ONE (They only used live ammo in one scene) scene where they use live ammo was very cool, but the rest of the movie was under whelming at best, and as far as realism goes it was complete horse s**t.

C'mon guys, Navy SEAL's hunting down bad guys that would fit right into a James Bond movie, and with "Ceramic Ball bearing" suicide vests, WTF? Are you kidding me ceramic ball bearings?????? What a stupid idea, that just reeks of stinky Hollywood movie producer/writer.

How bout the Master Chief, who was supposed to be this crazy interrogator? Then we see the interrogation scene and I mean seriously he couldn't intimidate a 12 year old girl.

And the way they carried there rifle's muzzle up when wearing helmet cam's was especially humorous. They only did that because a helmet cam looks ### unless you can see the rifle, and the helmet cam can't see the rifle when they carry normally.

In another scene, the SEAL's are fleeing in a truck and the tail gate get's strafed with 3-4 rounds of AK fire. No tail gate I have ever seen would stop those steel cored Russian surplus rounds. They would have gone through the tail gate into him and maybe even into the others in the truck. Remember they had no plates in this scene/mission.

The first mission was awesome, and I would say quite realistic of a hostage rescue scenario performed by SEAL's, Delta's, JTF2, or any other top tier Special Forces operatives out there, from there the movie's realism falls apart, the SEAL's literally end up teaming up with some random Mexican unit and getting into a full scale battle with some kind of massive Mexican Cartel Army.

Using real operatives was a great idea, but to shoot an entirely Hollywood style movie the way they did was a dis-service to Servicemen everywhere.

Sorry if everyone else disagrees that was just what I thought of the movie.

 

[Sinasta]

I am sadly not surprised by the reaction of most....

This was an entertaining action movie, really I enjoyed it, the ONE (They only used live ammo in one scene) scene where they use live ammo was very cool, but the rest of the movie was under whelming at best, and as far as realism goes it was complete horse s**t.

C'mon guys, Navy SEAL's hunting down bad guys that would fit right into a James Bond movie, and with "Ceramic Ball bearing" suicide vests, WTF? Are you kidding me ceramic ball bearings?????? What a stupid idea, that just reeks of stinky Hollywood movie producer/writer.

How bout the Master Chief, who was supposed to be this crazy interrogator? Then we see the interrogation scene and I mean seriously he couldn't intimidate a 12 year old girl.

And the way they carried there rifle's muzzle up when wearing helmet cam's was especially humorous. They only did that because a helmet cam looks ### unless you can see the rifle, and the helmet cam can't see the rifle when they carry normally.

In another scene, the SEAL's are fleeing in a truck and the tail gate get's strafed with 3-4 rounds of AK fire. No tail gate I have ever seen would stop those steel cored Russian surplus rounds. They would have gone through the tail gate into him and maybe even into the others in the truck. Remember they had no plates in this scene/mission.

The first mission was awesome, and I would say quite realistic of a hostage rescue scenario performed by SEAL's, Delta's, JTF2, or any other top tier Special Forces operatives out there, from there the movie's realism falls apart, the SEAL's literally end up teaming up with some random Mexican unit and getting into a full scale battle with some kind of massive Mexican Cartel Army.

Using real operatives was a great idea, but to shoot an entirely Hollywood style movie the way they did was a dis-service to Servicemen everywhere.

Sorry if everyone else disagrees that was just what I thought of the movie.

I agree with you except the two points.

Interrogation is not about intimidation.

High port is used alot by SEALs and is gaining attraction in other units as well. There are pros and cons to high port or low ready. But it was not just for movie coolness factor.

You dont know what you dont know.

 

[Big_Red]

I thought it was a good movie.

Does the CGN member in your pic know you are using it in your signature block?

 

[D 23]

Funny you say that. Did you know it was originally meant to be a recruitment commercial? Some big shot liked what they saw and decided to go for gold... It is what it is.

Didn't know that but I'm not surprised.

I saw it as 75% recruitment 25% "we won against the terrorists" so forget that we spent trillions, put you in a recession and wasted the lives of so many of your sons and daughters. We have cool guns and tactics.

Comes on the tail end of every American military failure.

 

[GunGuy34]

I fast forwarded to the action sequences, the acting was horrid. They would have done better if they marketed as a documentary showing real seal footage or make it a movie but with some good actors.

 

[Steve Janes]

I agree with you except the two points.

Interrogation is not about intimidation.

High port is used alot by SEALs and is gaining attraction in other units as well. There are pros and cons to high port or low ready. But it was not just for movie coolness factor.

You dont know what you dont know.

Okay I here ya, but regardless of what is involved in interrogation, the Chief was a pussy who seemed to me like he couldn't scare, intimidate, or "interrogate" a 12 year old girl!!!!

Also, in regards to the high port, I understand it can be beneficial in some scenarios, like when they were indoors clearing doorways and stuff, but they were carrying that way everywhere they went, in doors, out doors, every time a helmet cam came on there was a full shot of a rifle in the frame. I just thought that the reason they did it in the movie WAS strictly for the coolness factor. In fact I bet they were told something along the lines of, "Do what you guys do, make it look good, but if you can, try to keep those rifles up and inside the camera shot for us, that will make it look cooler, thanks guys"