Norinco Np29 for Classic Division..

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Hi Guys.

I picked up at Norinco Np29 1911 in 9mm a little over a year ago. I used it last month to do my black badge. I am going to be shooting in IPSC production class or classic division not 100% sure yet. But my question is would sending this gun to Armco to get a tuned up make it acceptable for what I want to do with it. Or am I wasting my money ? Keep in mind i am just starting out and cant spend $1200 on a Kimber at this time.
 
GDavies said:
Hi Guys.

I picked up at Norinco Np29 1911 in 9mm a little over a year ago. I used it last month to do my black badge. I am going to be shooting in IPSC production class or classic division not 100% sure yet. But my question is would sending this gun to Armco to get a tuned up make it acceptable for what I want to do with it. Or am I wasting my money ? Keep in mind i am just starting out and cant spend $1200 on a Kimber at this time.
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Yup, Classic would be your division. Lots of people do the Armco tune thing just for S&G, so why not?

But, be aware that it's not necessary. If it's reliable and reasonably accurate, then it's 'enough gun' for IPSC. I'm sure it could benefit from a bit of work to reduce and smooth the trigger pull, but that's just a small part of what Armco does, and that's not even necessary anyway. Your call on whether you'd be better served spending the cash (and time) on a tune job or on practice ammo.

Oh, and if you DO go ahead with the Armco deal, make sure they know it's for IPSC so the trigger pull weight isn't reduced below the mandatory minimum.
 
alpining said:
But, be aware that it's not necessary. If it's reliable and reasonably accurate, then it's 'enough gun' for IPSC. I'm sure it could benefit from a bit of work to reduce and smooth the trigger pull, but that's just a small part of what Armco does, and that's not even necessary anyway. Your call on whether you'd be better served spending the cash (and time) on a tune job or on practice ammo.
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Great advice! It has always been and always will be the shooter, not the gun (within common sense limits, course).
 
One of our guys uses his STI Trojan 9MM in Standard Division shooting minor and does OK. He made "A" Class ranking with it. To the OP you can use your Norinco 9MM in Standard Division. Shoot minor and with practice you will be beating guys with guns costing 5x's as much.

Take Care

Bob
 
Canuck44 said:
One of our guys uses his STI Trojan 9MM in Standard Division shooting minor and does OK. He made "A" Class ranking with it. To the OP you can use your Norinco 9MM in Standard Division. Shoot minor and with practice you will be beating guys with guns costing 5x's as much.

Take Care

Bob
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Bob I understand it's the shooter more than the gun but it would be silly to shoot with his gun in Standard when we have the new Classic division? Are you not familiar with the Classic division?
 
alpining said:
Oh, and if you DO go ahead with the Armco deal, make sure they know it's for IPSC so the trigger pull weight isn't reduced below the mandatory minimum.
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The only IPSC division with a minimum trigger pull weight is Production Division and we've already established that his NP29 isn't allowed in Production.
 
cbabes said:
Bob I understand it's the shooter more than the gun but it would be silly to shoot with his gun in Standard when we have the new Classic division? Are you not familiar with the Classic division?
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Hey just another option and there may be more players in Standard. John R. out here does quite well in Standard Division shooting his Trojan in minor against the double stack .40calguns shooting major. He just shoots "A"s.;)

Take Care

Bob
 
Canuck44 said:
Hey just another option and there may be more players in Standard. John R. out here does quite well in Standard Division shooting his Trojan in minor against the double stack .40calguns shooting major. He just shoots "A"s.;)

Take Care

Bob
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Yes but in standard you get more options. It's not the more players as much as why shoot against guns that are "racier" when you can shoot with guns that are similar. Classic still uses major and minor! I shot a level II Sunday with my Trojan in 9mm minor and had the fastest time in almost every stage but because I didn't get all As and several procedurals I never won. lmao
 
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cbabes said:
Yes but in standard you get more options. It's not the more players as much as why shoot against guns that are "racier" when you can shoot with guns that are similar. Classic still uses major and minor! I shot a level II Sunday with my Trojan in 9mm minor and had the fastest time in almost every stage but because I didn't get all As and several procedurals I never won. lmao
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This is exactly why I wouldn't want to use a 1911 in 9mm for Classic division. You have to really get those A's in order to win.
 
Pistolwhiptricks said:
This is exactly why I wouldn't want to use a 1911 in 9mm for Classic division. You have to really get those A's in order to win.
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Yeah it has me rethinking my strategy. lol. The Trojan worked great in ESP and won me my last IDPA match but to compete in IPSC I need to get a little more accurate along with less procedurals.
 
if hes just starting out, just go for all As, all the time, speed will come with lots (and lots (and lots (and lots))) of practice/experience

if you try to shoot faster than you are, 1 you will develop bad habits right off the bat, 2 you will be neither accurate nor fast. remember its dilegentia vis celeritas...
 
mshundal said:
if hes just starting out, just go for all As, all the time, speed will come with lots (and lots (and lots (and lots))) of practice/experience

if you try to shoot faster than you are, 1 you will develop bad habits right off the bat, 2 you will be neither accurate nor fast. remember its dilegentia vis celeritas...
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I agree. In my case I didn't get any Mikes so 1911 in 9mm minor is tough unless you are reall accurate!!
 
Great info here. I want to try ipsc with my np 29 too.

As for Armco... He does good work but if you are at all familiar with 1911 disassembly then a quick polishing of trigger, sear and disconnector will improve the trigger pull.

I tore down my Armco tuned norinco and my new commander, and just copied where he polished on the new gun. That alone brought the trigger pull to 5lb (armco tuned mine to 4.5lb)
 
Shooting A's has nothing to do with speed but rather where you place your attention. You can shoot A's just as fast as you can shoot D's you just have to aim for the A zone. Most IPSC shooters just don't work on their accuracy fundamentals enough to be able to shoot A's at any speed and as a consequence must spend an inordinate amout of time aiming to try to get A's perpetuating the myth that you need to "slow down to shoot A's". You can really see the lack of fundamentals when steel makes an appearance on a stage. You will always hear someone complain about how small the steel is. An 8" plate is 2" wider than the a zone an only 3" shorter. A popper is huge compared to an A zone. The only way steel appears small is if you compare it to a whole target, which means you are just blasting at brown.
Work on your accuracy to the point where you can place all your shots in the A zone at any distance you may encounter in a match, in other words you should be able to keep all your shots in the a zone out to 50m. Learn to find and shoot the A zone, not the whole target. Lastly learn how to pull the trigger quickly without disturbing the sight picture.
 
PH Racing said:
Shooting A's has nothing to do with speed but rather where you place your attention. You can shoot A's just as fast as you can shoot D's you just have to aim for the A zone. Most IPSC shooters just don't work on their accuracy fundamentals enough to be able to shoot A's at any speed and as a consequence must spend an inordinate amout of time aiming to try to get A's perpetuating the myth that you need to "slow down to shoot A's". You can really see the lack of fundamentals when steel makes an appearance on a stage. You will always hear someone complain about how small the steel is. An 8" plate is 2" wider than the a zone an only 3" shorter. A popper is huge compared to an A zone. The only way steel appears small is if you compare it to a whole target, which means you are just blasting at brown.
Work on your accuracy to the point where you can place all your shots in the A zone at any distance you may encounter in a match, in other words you should be able to keep all your shots in the a zone out to 50m. Learn to find and shoot the A zone, not the whole target. Lastly learn how to pull the trigger quickly without disturbing the sight picture.
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Can't argue. Thanks I needed this! :cheers:
 
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