TT-33 prone to breaking and other myths!

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Hey there,

I am just wondering what are you thoughts on TT-33s you actually OWN and SHOOT. I do not want to hear the same internet myths every other person spews. Some examples below...

#1 being that the TT-33 is prone to breaking, always and is a weak design over the CZ-52. Now anyone who knows anything and has actually shot the gun knows this is a joke and totally untrue. I personally have seen guns with 1000s of rounds out of them (who knows how many before the re-ferb) and the only thing that needed to be replaced was the magazine spring. The roller locks of the CZ 52 are IMO a weak point and I can pull up many pictures of kaBOOMed ones and I have yet seen one of a TT-33.

With that being said they are 70+ year old guns and parts DO wear out and need replacing...what parts do you guys find are prone to breaking/wearing out?

#2 is that there is 2 types of 7.62x25 ammo...both pistol rounds and a hotter sub machine gun rounds that will, according to the internet will "BLOW YOUR GUN UP IN YOUR HANDS". lol. My opinion on that is that it is totally wrong and would have been a terrible idea for logistics in a war especially with most of your armed forces being illiterate. Other countries besides Russian and Czech have much much poorer ammo making either making it a bit hotter or weaker but still does not make it special "sub gun" loads. Other countries ammo besides the two listed are much less controlled and even have weaker brass/steel casings that can fuse the round and casing together causing minor issues. These make it shoot not as well or consistent but still not a risk.

Its kinda of a null issue in Canada anyways as our options seem to only be Czech or factory S&B rounds...both which get shot 1000s of times a day in Canada without issue.

3# is the guns are not that accurate. Again another false one to me. The gun is designed to be shot with one hand and it fires a snappy round...most people at the range that I have seen have a hard time keeping all their rounds into a human cut out, two handed with a smaller kicking gun so I really believe its their lack of skill/practice that is the problem not the gun :p

The gun is "combat accurate" and can shoot surprisingly well even out to 100yards due to rounds design.



What are your thoughts on this? Any person experience to share?

J
 
It's a Russian knock-off of (Drum roll please ) John Brownings 1911 colt design; simplified for ease of service(trigger group).
Great gun, seriously zippy rd. Had 4; still have 1, they are pretty handy IMO
 
I have shot a few TT-33's and they are a very snappy little gun. For the price which is pretty much the lowest of all guns including rifles, they are a lot of fun. Reliability...out of the box (or paper bag) they either work or they don't. If they don't you have to become a gunsmith which isn't a bad idea if you like guns.
 
jeffcarr88 said:
......3# is the guns are not that accurate. .....
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I'm not in a position to directly comment on your first two points. But I can comment on the accuracy of my Chinese Norinco 9mm knockoffs. Both the copies I bought are very accurate. They are easily as good for accuracy as any of the other handguns I've shot other than a couple of special cases. And before anyone comments on my shooting ability :D I will add that my old guy eyes and nerves allow me to get 5 inch at 25 yard groups when I'm trying. Certainly the guns, including the M213 Tok clone, are better than that but I'm not. Still this says to me that the design is one that deserves respect.

But since mine are from the $99 special batch of 9mm models sold by Canada Ammo some time back I can't comment directly on the Russian versions in 7.62x25. But certainly the design itself is not inherently inaccurate.

tokguy said:
It's a Russian knock-off of (Drum roll please ) John Brownings 1911 colt design; simplified for ease of service(trigger group).
Great gun, seriously zippy rd. Had 4; still have 1, they are pretty handy IMO
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Sorry tokguy but unless you're thinking of some other JMB design other than the 1911 you're out to lunch on this. There simply is nothing at all in common between the two guns other than the fact that both are delayed blowback and the barrels have a hinged link. The whole trigger groups are totally different.

Generally speaking the Tokarev is actually a very inspired design. Not many guns allow you to lift out the entire hammer, sear and mainspring as a unit for cleaning or servicing. It's the sort of thing that may be a little harder to make in the factory but in the field pays back dividends many times over in ease of handling and maintaining the gun.
 
The tork is related to the 1906 by JB and they worked together for bit. As for the ammo the issue is that the ammo fits into the Broomhandle but is far to powerful for it and has led to many failures and injuries.
The Norinco copies of the TT-33 have a tendency to shed the added on safety, likely out of disgust for the poor design of the safety.
 
NO, short recoil not delayed blowback. The design is closer to the P-35/hi power with the fixed cam on the barrel rather then a swinging link. For a duty/service weapon it is a step up from the 1911 mechanicaly, though i'd prefer the 45 over the 7.62 unless i was trying to make holes in things. The trigger design was inspired, drops out for maintenance and can be swapped as a unit. It's a far far stronger design the the CZ52, good luck blowing that up! (the tok not the CZ) Some of the check ammo was loaded to 1600fps, i wouldn't shoot that in either gun, but the normal stuff they will eat all day. Pity bout the ergonomics of the TT, to me it feels awkward, but hell for reliable.

BCRider said:
I'm not in a position to directly comment on your first two points. But I can comment on the accuracy of my Chinese Norinco 9mm knockoffs. Both the copies I bought are very accurate. They are easily as good for accuracy as any of the other handguns I've shot other than a couple of special cases. And before anyone comments on my shooting ability :D I will add that my old guy eyes and nerves allow me to get 5 inch at 25 yard groups when I'm trying. Certainly the guns, including the M213 Tok clone, are better than that but I'm not. Still this says to me that the design is one that deserves respect.

But since mine are from the $99 special batch of 9mm models sold by Canada Ammo some time back I can't comment directly on the Russian versions in 7.62x25. But certainly the design itself is not inherently inaccurate.



Sorry tokguy but unless you're thinking of some other JMB design other than the 1911 you're out to lunch on this. There simply is nothing at all in common between the two guns other than the fact that both are delayed blowback and the barrels have a hinged link. The whole trigger groups are totally different.

Generally speaking the Tokarev is actually a very inspired design. Not many guns allow you to lift out the entire hammer, sear and mainspring as a unit for cleaning or servicing. It's the sort of thing that may be a little harder to make in the factory but in the field pays back dividends many times over in ease of handling and maintaining the gun.
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If you dryfire it without a snapcap you'll break the firing pin retaining pin. Otherwise i love my Russian Tok. That 7.62x25mm cartridge is cheap, fun and has certain capabilities that make it a good addition to any serious collection.
 
I have shot quite a few TT33. They're reliable and like any other russian gun they will do what they're supposed to do, but nothing else.

The TT33 is actually a horrible pistol, I wouldn't want to carry one into battle.

The school, where I take my courses and practise isn't one to really beyond the 4 basic rules, except when the TT-33 is involved.
That's because you really do have to carry the TT33 without a round in the chamber, if you do so, it gets dangerous.
 
TT33 is a pretty good little pistol. No real complaints about it.

With that said, the CZ52 is a FAR better pistol function wise.

It's also much nicer looking.
 
I read somewhere (FWIW) that the whole "ammo question" with the 762 Tok related to the importation of a massive quantity of Bulgarian manufactured ammo which had been poorly stored for many years, to the point that the propellant had started to break down into it's constituent compounds and became unstable.
 
Well, I have owned and shot 3. One broke on me after 200 rounds and needs a new slide. A new slide is as much $$$ as a new gun, so I bought another. I love to shoot it, and I do think that my poor accuracy has a lot to do with the gun being so small in my hands. Nice big bang for very little $$$$. Who knows how many rounds have been through them already, all of mine look quite used.
 
Kampfhamster said:
I have shot quite a few TT33. They're reliable and like any other russian gun they will do what they're supposed to do, but nothing else.

The TT33 is actually a horrible pistol, I wouldn't want to carry one into battle.

The school, where I take my courses and practise isn't one to really beyond the 4 basic rules, except when the TT-33 is involved.
That's because you really do have to carry the TT33 without a round in the chamber, if you do so, it gets dangerous.
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Could you not just carry it at half ####?
 
Walther_PPK said:
TT33 is a pretty good little pistol. No real complaints about it.

With that said, the CZ52 is a FAR better pistol function wise.

It's also much nicer looking.
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Ergos/looks yes...but I think that the TT-33 beats out in reliability and its light on the pocket book too!!! :p
 
kdog3333 said:
Well, I have owned and shot 3. One broke on me after 200 rounds and needs a new slide. A new slide is as much $$$ as a new gun, so I bought another. I love to shoot it, and I do think that my poor accuracy has a lot to do with the gun being so small in my hands. Nice big bang for very little $$$$. Who knows how many rounds have been through them already, all of mine look quite used.
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The mini hogue wrap around grip I found, really helps you get a more "normal" grip on the gun :)
 
jeffcarr88 said:
Could you not just carry it at half ####?
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Half #### notches are more about temporary convienience than safety. If the gun drop and falls on the hammer the energy from the fall is enough to sometimes snap off the weak little finger on the hammer and allow it to fall and set off the round.

My Norc 213 had the useless safeties removed as when holding with two hands shooting a round or two was enough to brush the safety against my hand and set the gun to "SAFE". But when used one handed it's OK other than being impossible to reach with the thumb to set it to fire.

It may be that it would not be a bad way to go to place the gun on half #### and then lock a magazine in place. The partial retraction of the hammer would not make it look like it was "cocked and locked" and the empty chamber would leave it safe. Then an Isreali draw would still be easier than racking the slide from a fully down hammer condition.

As a one handed pistol it's not bad. But those of us with medium or larger hands find it rather crowded when trying to two fist it.

Yes, they tend to be rather roughly finished due to the realities of Russian and Chinese factories. But that does not stop it from being an extremely interesting design. I could see a Tokarev style design gun with a higher cap mag and longer and better fitting frame and grips being a nice shooting gun that would be easy to work on.
 
REAL toks...Russian don't have safety's!!! :p

Never really had any interest personally in getting a Chinese one...although having a 9mm barrel to drop into my Russian would be cool
 
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