1903 Springfield Stock Question

Travis Bickle

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Hey all,

I am releatively new to the 1903. Have been researching it pretty extensively.
I recently acquired a 1903 MK 1 in the mid to high million serial number range.

Collector vaule is low to none so I'm just going to enjoy her as a shooter :rockOn:

It has seen better days but the bore is minty :D

My question is would my MK 1 fit into a Boyds reproduction "A3" stock with the standard "S" grip?

Any guidance would be appreciated as I plan to restore this beauty the best I can.

Cheers!
 
A Model 1903 will fit a military 03A3 stock as the 03A3 stocks were also inletted to accomodate the M1903 fixed sight base. I don't know if the Boyds 03A3 repros have this same inletting, but they could be modified as necessary.

Stock fitting is a go slow, cut and try process. It is critical to get the proper fit at the recoil lug and forend tip. Fitting the upper band and drilling the cross hole for the band screw in a new stock takes some care. Make sure that there is some clearance between the rear of the upper action tang and the stock recess. A tight fit here will cause the tang to act as a recoil lug with a good chance of cracking the stock.

P.S. Make sure that you have the steel bushing that surrounds the rear guard screw. This is critical for proper bedding of the action.
 
Marstar also has real, new old stock, 1903 stocks if you want to spend the cake.

http://www.marstar.ca/dynamic/category.jsp?catid=80326

Ian

I know! I saw them but that cake is too rich for my budget lol :D

The Boyds are $144, so more in line with my frugal personality.

I hadn't thought about drilling the hole for the band spring.
Would they not come pre-drilled?

I know there is no metal on them at all but transfering the parts would be easy just like my Boyds M1A I fitted to my Norc M14.
 
My $.02 worth:

The Boyd's stocks for the 1903 are not drop-in. They have a rep for a poor fit.

Late in WW2 and post-war the US Army did not make any more 1903 stocks, rather all 03A3 stocks are inletted to accept both rifles, so it's normal to see late and post WW2 era rebuilds with 03A3 stocks on them.

The S stocks look the most elegant, but the scant and C-stocks will be more comfortable for actual shooting. If you do use an 03A3 stock, be aware that for best accuracy, you will want to shim at the rear of the trigger guard inletting if you use a milled trigger guard. The stocks are inlet to work with the samped sheet-metal guard which is taller at the rear. The rear pillar will allow it to work as a drop-in, but it's preferable to shim for better contact if you want the best accuracy.

You can also fill the top of the receiver ing inlets with walnut shims to simulate a pre-WW2 M1903 S-stock.
 
I know! I saw them but that cake is too rich for my budget lol :D

The Boyds are $144, so more in line with my frugal personality.

I hadn't thought about drilling the hole for the band spring.
Would they not come pre-drilled?

I know there is no metal on them at all but transfering the parts would be easy just like my Boyds M1A I fitted to my Norc M14.

All unissued GI stock come pre-drilled for the band spring, but you have to drill the cross-screw hole for the front barrel band.

Boyds won't ship any stock to Canada that costs over $100, so that might be an issue.

Northridge Int'l will ship real GI stock up here, no sweat, but they are more like $200.

I have a spare unissued GI "scant" 03A3 stock that would work for you. PM me if you would like to buy it, but it's never bee nfitted to an action so some minor fitting may be required. I may be able to include a WW2 era stamped band spring, buttplate and some other small bits if you need them, though your existing rifle might be a good/better/cheaper source for donor parts to complete a stock.

Oh, one more thing, the Boyd's stocks do not come with cross-bolts. GI stocks come with them already fitted.
 
Fitting the upper band is critical to accuracy. When doing so you must ensure 2 things in addition to getting the hole for the upper band screw drilled straight;

-that there is 5-7 lbs of upward pressure on the barrel at the forend tip

-that the metal of the upper band is not in contact with the top of the barrel, otherwise a "bound barrel" will result which is ruinous to accuracy

You need to keep checking these 2 things when fitting the upper band. If you find that there is contact between the upper band and the top of the barrel you can sometimes remove some wood from the barrel channel at the forend tip to lower the top of the barrel away from contacting the upper band, but don't take away too much wood here or you may lose the required degree of forend pressure on the bottom of the barrel. If the forend pressure is right and the top of the barrel is in contact with the upper band, you can grind some metal off the bottom of the upper band where it contacts the barrel. Again, this is a go slow/cut a bit and trial fit process.

Salvaging the cross bolts from a reject stock is not hard to do, but you need to cut yourself a special screwdriver tip for this. Make sure that it fits the slots in the screws and grind/cut away enough metal from the center of the scrwdriver tip to accomodate the threaded end of the cross screw.
 
Fitting the upper band is critical to accuracy. When doing so you must ensure 2 things in addition to getting the hole for the upper band screw drilled straight;

-that there is 5-7 lbs of upward pressure on the barrel at the forend tip

-that the metal of the upper band is not in contact with the top of the barrel, otherwise a "bound barrel" will result which is ruinous to accuracy

You need to keep checking these 2 things when fitting the upper band. If you find that there is contact between the upper band and the top of the barrel you can sometimes remove some wood from the barrel channel at the forend tip to lower the top of the barrel away from contacting the upper band, but don't take away too much wood here or you may lose the required degree of forend pressure on the bottom of the barrel. If the forend pressure is right and the top of the barrel is in contact with the upper band, you can grind some metal off the bottom of the upper band where it contacts the barrel. Again, this is a go slow/cut a bit and trial fit process.

Salvaging the cross bolts from a reject stock is not hard to do, but you need to cut yourself a special screwdriver tip for this. Make sure that it fits the slots in the screws and grind/cut away enough metal from the center of the scrwdriver tip to accomodate the threaded end of the cross screw.

So you are saying that there has to be upwards pressure on the barrel at the tip of the stock from the barrel band but the barrel band can't touch the barrel on top right?

So I would have to drill the hole at the correct height so as to push the lower stock up against the barrel with gentle pressure but also high enough that the barrel band does not touch the top part of the barrel?

Am I tracking here? Does anyone else have any input on the best way to achieve optimal barrel band screw drill hole placement?
 
Well, you also have to use inletting black to ensure the receiver and bottom metal are making proper contact in the stock and relieve the receiver inletting as required to sneure you start off with upward pressure at the front band. It sounds daunting, but it's really not.
 
Well, you also have to use inletting black to ensure the receiver and bottom metal are making proper contact in the stock and relieve the receiver inletting as required to sneure you start off with upward pressure at the front band. It sounds daunting, but it's really not.

Again, I think I'm tracking here, you're saying ideally the barrel band should sit so that it is keeping the barrel from touching the barrel groove in the stock (free floating it) along the length.

But not so high as to lift the reciever out of proper contact while it sits in the stock right?

I am also most likely going to get the action bedded. The bore is so crisp I'm sure this thing can drive tacks way out past 500 meters with ease.

I'm excited to bring it back to full looks and potential :rockOn:

This is all good info guys, flood my brain. Keep it coming!
 
Well, basically you need to fit the barrel band so that it is snug on the stock and has a few thou of clearance from the barrel itself. You also need to inlet the action (if required - it isn't always) so that the fore stock has slight upward pressure on the muzzle.

If you aren't comfortable, have a gunsmith fit it for you.
 
Before tackling the forend tip and barrel band it is important to get the action itself bedded first. This means that the bottom of the action is in full contact with the corresponding surface of the stock and that the rear face of the recoil lug is in full contact with the corresponding surface in the stock. Most folks don't have inletting black, so you can use a thin layer of wife/GFs red lipstick if she is agreeable.

On a new stock the time to test the barrel for pressure against the barrel channel in the forend tip is after the action has been bedded correctly. If the pressure is excessive (more than 5-7 lbs) to lift the barrel out of contact with the channel in the forend tip, then you can relieve the barrel channel incrementally with some sandpaper on a piece of 5/8 inch dia dowelling until the pressure is right. The armorer's manual for the M1903 stipulates that there must be contact between the bottom of the barrel and the barrel channel and that 5-7 lbs pressure is required to lift the barrel out of contact with the barrel channel. It does not call for a barrel to be floating out of contact with the forend at this point. In my experience an M1903 can shoot very well with a fully floating barrel (no barrel/stock contact), but that isn't the MILSPEC solution. I suspect that one of the objectives in stipulating upward stock pressure at the forend was to stabilize the stock and prevent warpage/distortion under service conditions.

Having done that, you can then deal with the upper band. The band itself should be a push tight fit to seat it on the front tenon of the stock or maybe a tap or 2 with a wooden block to fully seat the band.

Once the band is seated you can check for contact between the metal of the band and the top/upper surface of the barrel. If there is contact between the top surface of the barrel and the metal of the band (check with a shim of some sort to verify clearance here) and the amount of barrel pressure at the forend tip is right, then you can grind some metal off the band where it binds on the barrel to get some clearance.

The upper band screw serves only to prevent the band from coming off the stock. It does nothing to locate the position of the barrel upwards or downwards in the barrel channel at the forend. Do the following to drill the hole for the upper band screw;

1. With the barreled action removed and the upper band fully seated, drill a 1/8 " hole half-way thru the forend tip from the LEFT side as you look down the stock from the rear.
2. Next, drill a 1/16" hole from the RIGHT side to intersect with the 1/8" hole.

3. Next, remove the upper band, select a drill bit just slightly thicker than the upper band screw and drill all the way thru from the LEFT side.

Maybe I'm telling you how to suck eggs, but you need to mark a pilot hole for the drill bit on either side with the upper band in place. A slower drill speed is good and a drill press would be useful, but not essential to drill the hole at the right angle.

The end state to all of this is to have the forend set up so that you can put your thumb on the top of the upper band and using the same hand, lift the barrel out of contact with the stock channel at the forend tip using 5-7 lbs upward pressure (you can verify with a trigger pull gauge or spring balance). There should be enough clearance between the top of the barrel and the upper band to allow you to pull the barrel up out of contact with the wood. I just went thru this whole nut roll again last week to install a new GI stock on a M1903 that I built from parts using a new GI barrel and everything worked out ticketty-boo. It really isn't that hard, but you need to work at it slowly to get everything right.
 
Before tackling the forend tip and barrel band it is important to get the action itself bedded first. This means that the bottom of the action is in full contact with the corresponding surface of the stock and that the rear face of the recoil lug is in full contact with the corresponding surface in the stock. Most folks don't have inletting black, so you can use a thin layer of wife/GFs red lipstick if she is agreeable.

On a new stock the time to test the barrel for pressure against the barrel channel in the forend tip is after the action has been bedded correctly. If the pressure is excessive (more than 5-7 lbs) to lift the barrel out of contact with the channel in the forend tip, then you can relieve the barrel channel incrementally with some sandpaper on a piece of 5/8 inch dia dowelling until the pressure is right. The armorer's manual for the M1903 stipulates that there must be contact between the bottom of the barrel and the barrel channel and that 5-7 lbs pressure is required to lift the barrel out of contact with the barrel channel. It does not call for a barrel to be floating out of contact with the forend at this point. In my experience an M1903 can shoot very well with a fully floating barrel (no barrel/stock contact), but that isn't the MILSPEC solution. I suspect that one of the objectives in stipulating upward stock pressure at the forend was to stabilize the stock and prevent warpage/distortion under service conditions.

Having done that, you can then deal with the upper band. The band itself should be a push tight fit to seat it on the front tenon of the stock or maybe a tap or 2 with a wooden block to fully seat the band.

Once the band is seated you can check for contact between the metal of the band and the top/upper surface of the barrel. If there is contact between the top surface of the barrel and the metal of the band (check with a shim of some sort to verify clearance here) and the amount of barrel pressure at the forend tip is right, then you can grind some metal off the band where it binds on the barrel to get some clearance.

The upper band screw serves only to prevent the band from coming off the stock. It does nothing to locate the position of the barrel upwards or downwards in the barrel channel at the forend. Do the following to drill the hole for the upper band screw;

1. With the barreled action removed and the upper band fully seated, drill a 1/8 " hole half-way thru the forend tip from the LEFT side as you look down the stock from the rear.
2. Next, drill a 1/16" hole from the RIGHT side to intersect with the 1/8" hole.

3. Next, remove the upper band, select a drill bit just slightly thicker than the upper band screw and drill all the way thru from the LEFT side.

Maybe I'm telling you how to suck eggs, but you need to mark a pilot hole for the drill bit on either side with the upper band in place. A slower drill speed is good and a drill press would be useful, but not essential to drill the hole at the right angle.

The end state to all of this is to have the forend set up so that you can put your thumb on the top of the upper band and using the same hand, lift the barrel out of contact with the stock channel at the forend tip using 5-7 lbs upward pressure (you can verify with a trigger pull gauge or spring balance). There should be enough clearance between the top of the barrel and the upper band to allow you to pull the barrel up out of contact with the wood. I just went thru this whole nut roll again last week to install a new GI stock on a M1903 that I built from parts using a new GI barrel and everything worked out ticketty-boo. It really isn't that hard, but you need to work at it slowly to get everything right.

I will.

Thanks very much for the info.

I have copy pasted it to a word file for safe storage.

Cheers!
 
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