Rude Landowners

[Home3]

When does 'no' mean 'no' ?
The said property was posted with the owners intention for the property. Is that not good enough for you?

As a property owner (well posted) ... I've had trash dumped on my place, quad/dirtbike trails made across it, have found gut piles and more trash on it, found a 'grow-op' that was on my and my neighbor's property, had a moron who was hunting on my posted land tell me he was the owner, and had another moron on my land try to assault me .... I kicked his sorry ass for him, and was charged with assault (aquitted) ...

I own my land outright, pay my taxes, and post it in the prescribed manner and am subjected to all of the above.

To the OP .... you read the sign, or do you know how to read? ....
Again, why are you whinning about what was posted on the owners property?

Sadly, angry responses like the above are understandable. It may give the OP some understanding of what might have caused the landowner to respond like that. I am 4000 k away and my neighbors have identical stories to tell. OP did nothing wrong and deserved better. But he probably paid for other people's bad deeds. Unfortunately, these troublemakers are not a small minority anymore, and that is in part our fault. I myself have crossed path with jerks like that but did not report them. I should have.

Nothing drove the point home to me personally, than hearing an elderly woman telling me and my friends in tears, how she and her husband had to sell their beloved acreage rural home (three generations in the family) and move to an apartment in the city. Their property had been targeted by a group of ATV riding trespassers/poachers year after year. They where too old and frail to stop it. OPP basically told them to hire private security guards, which they couldn't afford. When law abiding citizens loose lawful enjoyment of their own property to trespassers and poachers, you know something is very wrong.

 

[trebor2880]

Nothing drove the point home to me personally, than hearing an elderly woman telling me and my friends in tears, how she and her husband had to sell their beloved acreage rural home (three generations in the family) and move to an apartment in the city. Their property had been targeted by a group of ATV riding trespassers/poachers year after year. They where too old and frail to stop it. OPP basically told them to hire private security guards, which they couldn't afford. When law abiding citizens loose lawful enjoyment of their own property to trespassers and poachers, you know something is very wrong.

Too bad they didn't know some "good ole boys" that could have rectified their problem, pronto.

 

[pbonura]

The fundamental difference between AB and ON in regards to permission to hunt is the belief amongst AB landowners that hunters are an integral part of wild game management. That belief is not prevalent in Southern Ontario, therefore there must be something in it for the landowner.

Have to agree. A buddy of my hunts apple orchards for deer in the archery season. Apple farmers can not stand deer. They eat the buds, and their profits. After the holidays I have 15 apple farmers I am going to pay a visit. This buddy shoots three deer a year at an apple orchard. Knocking on doors is just like getting lai*. If you hit on enough ladies one will so you can have permission to my property to hunt and explore. That is how the most successful salepeople make a great living. It is all in the numbers.

 

[roccoskeet]

I would have replied to his email like this.

"Sorry to have troubled you about hunting on your land. With the lay of the land on your beautiful farm I just thought it would have been good access for a fella in a motorized wheel chair. And so close to my home not to hard on my wallet gas wise on a small disability pension.
Take care and God bless you and yours "

Ain't that sweet !

 

[pazzo]

I’d definitely tell you to fu*k off if I read that response ^^

 

[roccoskeet]

^^^^^^^^ yup that's the idea.
The farmer was unnecessarily rude so piss him off good.
Some people would call that stirring the pot. But that's rather unsofisticated in my view.
I like to refer to it oportunistic antagonistic ,responce , therapy.

 

[crazydave]

Have to agree. A buddy of my hunts apple orchards for deer in the archery season. Apple farmers can not stand deer. They eat the buds, and their profits. After the holidays I have 15 apple farmers I am going to pay a visit. This buddy shoots three deer a year at an apple orchard. Knocking on doors is just like getting lai*. If you hit on enough ladies one will so you can have permission to my property to hunt and explore. That is how the most successful salepeople make a great living. It is all in the numbers.

Some farmers believe they should still be paid for access in some way, yet they complain about their crops being eaten

What it all comes down to is the few have wrecked it for the many, if you think the farmer in the OP's situation was rude i have news for you, he was a lot more polite than the many asshats who probably have wrecked his property at one time and pestered him many more.

The polite letter in the mailbox would probably be considered by him as junk mail and soliciting for permission, that is why it is best to ask in person most times as a quick yes or no is provided and you can still show respect either way for his decision.

A letter in a mailbox comes off as lazy in my opinion fwiw

 

[ER243]

If it was me who got that email I would have responded with simple "sorry to have bothered you" and moved on.
Being a land owner I would say that many have ruined for few. In 40 years that I have owned this place I given every one who asked permission to hunt or ride their ATV. Guess how many people asked? Three, thats right BIG THREE but I lost track of number of times my hunting was interrupted and downright ruined by as hats who had no business being there.

 

[roccoskeet]

I live in a area with farmers that own very big farms. Luckily for me I have lived within 1 KM of tha farm I grew up on 48 years ago . I can hunt several thousand acres by driving off my front lawn and going farm to farm on my ATV.
Unfortunately for many other hunters that go to these farms an ask for permission they get told "sorry we have a guy already hunting here" that is not of my doing but simply due to the fact they are comfortable with me hunting there.
It's unfortunate actually because I get to hunt more land than I can.
One of these farms got a knock on there door last year and the wife answered it and a guy asked for permission to goose hunt. She politely said that they had a guy who hunted there and they didn't want anyone else there.
He asked why ? She said due the fact it's a air strip and there are probably 15-20 planes stored there they worry about stray pellets.
Instead of just asking if he could contact the guy who hunts there and maybe go together or just saying ok thank you he F$&king flips !!!
" well maybe I should just burn my F--ing licence thanks alot you F---ing ##### "
This is probably the nicest lady I know. Very quiet and polite. They own probably 2000 acres.
She was very scared by this guy. He is very very lucky her '6"3. 290lb built like a brick s**te house husband was not home !
Ass wipes like that kill it for all hunters.
I have lost one 500 acre corn farm due to other hunters.
Ben was so mad at some guys he gave permission to he even barred me !
I have all I'll ever need to hunt good for me but not so good for others. It is unfortunate.
I have taken other guys out with me and introduced them to the farmers and taken them hunting and guess what happens ?
I get a call later that they were back hunting without me and got caught. They were told only with me by the land owner originally !
Another way of pissing off land owners.
I feel for the OP it's tough to get permission.
What you need to do us get just one farmer to let you in. Offer to help the guy fencing or give a few hours help and get in.
With that one guy eventually you ask him to vette you to some of the neighboring farmers and your golden.
I still feel the original farmer sending back such a strong note was un called for. A simple sorry we have a guy or we hunt it ourselves or we are not in favour of hunting would have sufficed.
But I can tell you one thing some farmers get bothered a lot like the guy I mentioned with the planes. He has many hundered geese landing in a field in plain site of a major road where many hunter drive. So lots of inquiries at the door.
But the guy who screamed at the farmers wife screws everybody.

 

[ontario]

Sadly, angry responses like the above are understandable. It may give the OP some understanding of what might have caused the landowner to respond like that. I am 4000 k away and my neighbors have identical stories to tell. OP did nothing wrong and deserved better. But he probably paid for other people's bad deeds. Unfortunately, these troublemakers are not a small minority anymore, and that is in part our fault. I myself have crossed path with jerks like that but did not report them. I should have.

Nothing drove the point home to me personally, than hearing an elderly woman telling me and my friends in tears, how she and her husband had to sell their beloved acreage rural home (three generations in the family) and move to an apartment in the city. Their property had been targeted by a group of ATV riding trespassers/poachers year after year. They where too old and frail to stop it. OPP basically told them to hire private security guards, which they couldn't afford. When law abiding citizens loose lawful enjoyment of their own property to trespassers and poachers, you know something is very wrong.

Not that I agree with it but I have heard that high tensile wire guitar string tight at bumper level and sharpened t bars pounded in at a 45* angle sticking up 4 inches keeps repeat atv trespassers out.

 

[joe-nwt]

Not that I agree with it but I have heard that high tensile wire guitar string tight at bumper level and sharpened t bars pounded in at a 45* angle sticking up 4 inches keeps repeat atv trespassers out.

Not that I agree with it but I believe you can be charged for setting a booby trap.

 

[WR69]

It's all about who you know. Around here there is a ton of posted land. The idea being that farmers post it and let select people who they know hunt. Luckily my hunting grounds cover a ton of acres and I have permission to hunt almost everywhere. Now my buddies place right next door to me happens to be home to a herd of elk year after year and it is posted. 4 people have permission to hunt that property (I am one) but every year I see a LOT of hunters on that land. I also have to put up new signs at least 3 times a year for him as "hunters" steal or destroy them. I also watch as people park on or very close to his property to "hunt on the land right beside him". What I'm getting at is year after year hunter ethics are becoming harder to find so my guess is that's why you received the response you did. Unethical hunters have unfortunately ruined it for alot of us.
Some of the problem I see is that people hear about the elk here and load up everything they bought shiny and new to go "huntin" in my neck of the woods. Now some of these people,in fact a lot of them, have no idea how to hunt elk so they all drive around in trucks or tramp anything they want with the quads until they see a herd and start blasting away like it's the wild west. I swear, once I counted at least 30 shots in rapid succession behind my place.
Just think back to how much posted land there was 20 years ago compared to today. That's the reason. A few years ago my friends trail cams were stolen by so called hunters also hunting on posted land without permission.
If you want to hunt on posted land meet directly with the landowner and explain how you will hunt on his land if given permission. Thank him for his time and respect his decision. If he gives you permission treat his land with respect.
Oh and for the hunters who plan on hunting "on the land beside" my buddies place this year watch for signs as that too will now be posted.

 

[Home3]

..... until they see a herd and start blasting away like it's the wild west. I swear, once I counted at least 30 shots in rapidsuccession behind my place.... .

We have them here too. I call the "The Execution Squads".

 

[shootemup]

I have signs all over my place, but citiots have the idea that woodland is automatically crown land, and trespass, dump garbage, skinny dip in the creek 100 ft from my house, cut down my maple trees, drive around my gates, shoot my signs, and tear up my trails with dirtbikes. Apparently 24X30" signs with black on yellow: No Trespassing isn't good enough.

 

[starpuss]

Yes but I believe a ton of people get permission to hunt on peoples land, its your philosophy and way of thinking that makes life so difficult for hunters.

If he was a hunter I would totally understand, I wouldn't want someone hunting where I am, but there is no damn reason to be rude about it, a simple no sorry I don't allow hunters or sorry i am hunting it would have sufficed.

Glad to know there are more rude people out there

if you had 10-15 ppl a year sending you letters Or Going onto your land that have no soliciting no trespassing signs you would be pissed off also!

your best bet if you want to find land to hunt on is Post a kijiji Ad! Trust me it works!

 

[Paatz]

I had "no tresspassing" signs on my property where people used to camp thinking it was a public campsite.
Those signs were not respected.
I've had no problems since I put up "For Sale" signs.
Now people seem to get that it really is private property.

 

[antiqueguy]

if you had 10-15 ppl a year sending you letters Or Going onto your land that have no soliciting no trespassing signs you would be pissed off also!

your best bet if you want to find land to hunt on is Post a kijiji Ad! Trust me it works!

i tried kijiji before and they always get deleted and the account always gets banned too many anti hunters out there

but ive seen your atv and dirt biking vids you seem that you cant take your own advice and not trespass even if theres no signs that still does not make it right

 

[starpuss]

i tried kijiji before and they always get deleted and the account always gets banned too many anti hunters out there

but ive seen your atv and dirt biking vids you seem that you cant take your own advice and not trespass even if theres no signs that still does not make it right

Well We Ride On Crown/open land 95% of the time. or ATV parks And if we are not on Crown/open land we are on Land that quad Trails go Across. Witch Is Not posted And are on the Town ATV map's. OR Land that we Permission to be on. Like that old Abandoned Farmhouse video i have up We Talked to the owner of the land and he is Fine with us Crossing the land. But Of Corse would not be happy if we where burning or braking s**t. & Crown land is Right at the back of his land. But This is NOT the point of this Post. i am NOT Hunting on that LAnd.

if you Got banned on Kijiji then you should of Looked over your post b4 it was posted. But maybe there more Picky on the ontario kijiji.

i had an ad up for 3 months , got 2-3 ppl that was ok with it. But Black power or bow only. And maybe 20 spam emails.

 

[rynoon]

I have signs all over my place, but citiots have the idea that woodland is automatically crown land, and trespass, dump garbage, skinny dip in the creek 100 ft from my house, cut down my maple trees, drive around my gates, shoot my signs, and tear up my trails with dirtbikes. Apparently 24X30" signs with black on yellow: No Trespassing isn't good enough.

Same situation for me, except instead of shooting the no trespassing sign they just steal them. It's ridiculous. Five years ago the path down to the cottage (which sits completely on private property) was unusable by dirt bikers, ATV'ers, cars, etc. Spent a ton of money cleaning it up and grading it, maintain it every year and people just rip down it and tear it up.

They also like to drive down to the dam which is on the other side of the property. The only people who have any business at that damn is the MNR and they have an easement. Nobody else does, but kids have decided that the dam is an excellent place to go down and smoke weed. They've also decided that when nobody is at the cottage that they have no issue with smashing the windows, kicking the doors in and robbing the place blind.

We've now taken to telling people to just piss off when we see them on the property. Didn't used to, but it's just ridiculous now. If we tell somebody to leave and they keep driving down to the dam we take the SUV, park it on the single lane access way and tell them to call a tow truck if they want their car out. I hate these idiots.

 

[roccoskeet]

Its sad to suggest this but it could be time for trail cams hidden in bird houses around your cottage or video surveillence.
Trail am photos have worked for others catching people stealing gas ect.
A couple weeks ago a guy came to the door and asked if i wanted to recycle any car batteries. I said no. He asked me what i was doing with them ?i said with what ? He says all the batteries beside the garage and around the back.
I said how the f!?k do you know how many i have .he said "i saw them when i pulled in your driveway the other day nobody was here.
I said well that may explain seeing some by the garage but not around the back.
I asked him if he had fun casing my house ? He said he wasnt or being s snoopy !
I pulled out my cell phone and snapped a pic of licence plate. He said " what you going to do with that run to the cops "? No just keep it till some of my stuff gies missing then ill be over to see you personally.
Things got loud then. He left.
I rather enjoyed the exchange.
The nerve or stupidity of this ass wipe to tell me my inventory of stuff he saw when I was not home.
We live in the country. If he comes back I hope he smiles in the hidden cam behind the stack of batteries I set out.


QUOTE=rynoon;7421306]Same situation for me, except instead of shooting the no trespassing sign they just steal them. It's ridiculous. Five years ago the path down to the cottage (which sits completely on private property) was unusable by dirt bikers, ATV'ers, cars, etc. Spent a ton of money cleaning it up and grading it, maintain it every year and people just rip down it and tear it up.

They also like to drive down to the dam which is on the other side of the property. The only people who have any business at that damn is the MNR and they have an easement. Nobody else does, but kids have decided that the dam is an excellent place to go down and smoke weed.They've also decided that when nobody is at the cottage that they have no issue with smashing the windows, kicking the doors in and robbing the place blind.

We've now taken to telling people to just piss off when we see them on the property. Didn't used to, but it's just ridiculous now. If we tell somebody to leave and they keep driving down to the dam we take the SUV, park it on the single lane access way and tell them to call a tow truck if they want their car out. I hate these idiots.[/QUOTE]