I am watching with amazemant how US main stream media (tv) is reporting a ammo shortage in the states. Hell in Canada the only shortage the media would report is Tim Horton's out of donut mix. Seems our American cousin are running out of everything. How long before it affects us?
Ammo Shortage
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Avalonthas
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Typically you will see ammo supply drop before a presidential election, as the chances of an anti-firearm candidate winning causes stockpiling. You will see a similar move in the upcoming election in the US....you will see that trickle to us because the major suppliers are American companies, and they will feed the domestic population first with the brass
This was the last big one http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008%E2%80%932009_United_States_ammunition_shortage. I read about it from my US friends and when I told the local Gun Shop in early 2009 it was coming they laughed (took a month or two longer for Canadian shops to run low since we were'nt stockpiling). A while later they had no decent stock of common ammo and reloading components. When they got primers in the price was higher and never went back down. Stock didn't get normal until into 2010.
Also the rumour will be along again "theyre making a new law that ammo/primers/powder will have a 2 year expiry so you can't store it longterm"
Also the rumour will be along again "theyre making a new law that ammo/primers/powder will have a 2 year expiry so you can't store it longterm"
stock piling has started down here, so prices are going up. Same as happened in 2008. I already made some early purchases that I did not need yet: 8 pounds powder, 4000 45acp RN, 5000 large primers, 25 pounds 7 1/2 shot, 1000 shot primers. Not so much because I am a hoarder, I just wanted to replenish stuff before prices jack up.
So you don't believe a shortage in the US will affect Canada? Where do you think the majority of our ammo and components come from?
US manufacturers will always service their markets first. Canada is a tiny market in comparison.
What part of my post led you to think i don't agree with you? Since it is near impossible to import ammo and a major PITA.......i figured i be buying my Ammo from Canadian dealers until that no longer becomes an option. And when that happens, i'll be looking at Handloading my own.
there is a lot of truth to this idea that there may be another ammo "shortage" soon. Aside from hearing many canadian vendors ay they will be raising their prices, and aside from losing my 37c a shot .223 connection due to price increases (I cant get anything for less then 40c a round shipped for the most part (brass case of course))
quote from brownells
Dear Folks,
Those of you shopping for economically priced .223 and 5.56 ammunition may be discovering that it is getting harder and harder to find. There is significant demand for these calibers at this moment, with the US Army the main buyer of the lower-priced ammunition. From our various sources, we are hearing that the Army is bringing their reserves back up to a reasonable level in anticipation of the perceivable conflicts our military may be engaged in over the next 24 plus months.
At this time, the military gets a significant majority of their ammunition from the Lake City Army Ammunition Plant in Independence, Missouri. Every couple of years, the contract for manufacturing ammunition is sent out for bids, and the quotations are reviewed. The re-bid time for the next contract is coming up - due October 2013. While that is more than a year away, whenever a military contract of this magnitude comes up, there are significant uncertainties of change in operations by the new winner of the bid. And, with any change in operations, there’s also the strong possibility of a significant delay in supply.
What the military is doing right now, then, is a very reasonable response to an uncertain future supply chain and a possible change in their manufacturing base. They are stockpiling more ammo than may be needed by the military, but which might actually be available to the commercial market once the contract is all settled and the new contractor is in place and up to full operation. So, it's kinda a bucket of worms . . . strong possibility of uncertain ammo manufacturing capacity during this time of real transition – probably – maybe.
It just so happens that Lake City is also a main source of component parts for aftermarket reloaders and resellers of ammunition, too. With the military buying nearly everything Lake City is producing right, the resellers and aftermarket reloaders are finding their supply is getting mighty tight, too.
To make the situation a "perfect storm of uncertainness", we're finding that the commercial ammo market is growing exponentially, with consumers wanting more and more ammo, raising the demand curve even higher. We talked about what might be causing this in the last WebBench – basically, more folks shooting the AR-15, with more need for ammo. Other causes are the "election effect", a possible presidential fiat to ban military rounds to the civilian market (I do not believe this to be a real factor, but it is a motivator in the market place), and finally what economists call "scarcity demand". Scarcity demand is when we go the store, and there is nothing on the shelf. We feel that momentary panic, that "I've gotta get some . . . the store doesn't have any" response.
And finally, we really have to accept the fact that these are "uncertain times". Uncertainty is going to be with us for a great many more months. The media is hitting us with that every day in every venue available to them. Just in the last few days we've been smacked with the Supreme Court ruling on Obamacare, the Fast and Furious scandal, and the most damaging wild fires in history both in Colorado and the Northeast. Sorta makes you want to turn off the noise, retreat to the patio, find some shade and something cool to drink . . . except the West and Midwest and much of the South are having a record-setting heat wave.
Well, not much we can do about most of this, but we can help out with the ammo shortage problem. When you order on brownells.com and it comes up that we are out of that item, you are given the choice of "Back Order" or "Notify". In addition, our gang in Marketing and Web Development has figured out a way to let you know when preferred ammunition comes back in stock. We'll take care of the backorders and notifies first, of course, but when we actually have stock we can ship you, we will send you an email alert, and you can decide if you still want the item or not. In these times of unknown outages, the program gives you the chance to be "the first to know", which has gotta be better than just gettin' hit with a stick! Click here to sign up for our Preferred Ammo Alert Emails. We hope it helps you get the ammo you want.
this coupled with my own research, leads me to believe that we will see ammo, especially 223 go up, and still have people buying it. my guess is 42-45 cents a round till the US government gets its contracts filled, and the stockpiling starts to taper off.
or it will just keep going up, as the people stockpiling, and the increase in intrest in shooting may not taper off at all. unless production capacity is increased in some major way, prices will likely stay the same, if not higher.
im literally kicking myself for not buying more crates of norico 223 when it was 27c a shot...
quote from brownells
Dear Folks,
Those of you shopping for economically priced .223 and 5.56 ammunition may be discovering that it is getting harder and harder to find. There is significant demand for these calibers at this moment, with the US Army the main buyer of the lower-priced ammunition. From our various sources, we are hearing that the Army is bringing their reserves back up to a reasonable level in anticipation of the perceivable conflicts our military may be engaged in over the next 24 plus months.
At this time, the military gets a significant majority of their ammunition from the Lake City Army Ammunition Plant in Independence, Missouri. Every couple of years, the contract for manufacturing ammunition is sent out for bids, and the quotations are reviewed. The re-bid time for the next contract is coming up - due October 2013. While that is more than a year away, whenever a military contract of this magnitude comes up, there are significant uncertainties of change in operations by the new winner of the bid. And, with any change in operations, there’s also the strong possibility of a significant delay in supply.
What the military is doing right now, then, is a very reasonable response to an uncertain future supply chain and a possible change in their manufacturing base. They are stockpiling more ammo than may be needed by the military, but which might actually be available to the commercial market once the contract is all settled and the new contractor is in place and up to full operation. So, it's kinda a bucket of worms . . . strong possibility of uncertain ammo manufacturing capacity during this time of real transition – probably – maybe.
It just so happens that Lake City is also a main source of component parts for aftermarket reloaders and resellers of ammunition, too. With the military buying nearly everything Lake City is producing right, the resellers and aftermarket reloaders are finding their supply is getting mighty tight, too.
To make the situation a "perfect storm of uncertainness", we're finding that the commercial ammo market is growing exponentially, with consumers wanting more and more ammo, raising the demand curve even higher. We talked about what might be causing this in the last WebBench – basically, more folks shooting the AR-15, with more need for ammo. Other causes are the "election effect", a possible presidential fiat to ban military rounds to the civilian market (I do not believe this to be a real factor, but it is a motivator in the market place), and finally what economists call "scarcity demand". Scarcity demand is when we go the store, and there is nothing on the shelf. We feel that momentary panic, that "I've gotta get some . . . the store doesn't have any" response.
And finally, we really have to accept the fact that these are "uncertain times". Uncertainty is going to be with us for a great many more months. The media is hitting us with that every day in every venue available to them. Just in the last few days we've been smacked with the Supreme Court ruling on Obamacare, the Fast and Furious scandal, and the most damaging wild fires in history both in Colorado and the Northeast. Sorta makes you want to turn off the noise, retreat to the patio, find some shade and something cool to drink . . . except the West and Midwest and much of the South are having a record-setting heat wave.
Well, not much we can do about most of this, but we can help out with the ammo shortage problem. When you order on brownells.com and it comes up that we are out of that item, you are given the choice of "Back Order" or "Notify". In addition, our gang in Marketing and Web Development has figured out a way to let you know when preferred ammunition comes back in stock. We'll take care of the backorders and notifies first, of course, but when we actually have stock we can ship you, we will send you an email alert, and you can decide if you still want the item or not. In these times of unknown outages, the program gives you the chance to be "the first to know", which has gotta be better than just gettin' hit with a stick! Click here to sign up for our Preferred Ammo Alert Emails. We hope it helps you get the ammo you want.
this coupled with my own research, leads me to believe that we will see ammo, especially 223 go up, and still have people buying it. my guess is 42-45 cents a round till the US government gets its contracts filled, and the stockpiling starts to taper off.
or it will just keep going up, as the people stockpiling, and the increase in intrest in shooting may not taper off at all. unless production capacity is increased in some major way, prices will likely stay the same, if not higher.
im literally kicking myself for not buying more crates of norico 223 when it was 27c a shot...
