Rude Landowners

[firemachine69]

Its called insurance for crop failure and you have to pay into it to recieve it. As for damage ask the farmers you hunt for how much they get. I can tell you, zero. The crown should pay all farmers for the damage her animals do to crops on private property or let me protect my crop. They should take the crop damage across the province, divide it buy the number of deer tags and that is the cost of the tag eg. 10 million in damage / 100000 tags = 100 a tag to go to a fund the damage done by the queens or your animals.

If you had a cow and it got into my corn crop and damaged it, I would be entitled to compensation from you. How is the queens or all of your( as you put it) animals different? She owns them, controls them, controls who hunts them, they are her property, so why is she not responsible for the damage caused by them?

I can see how some would think they are theirs. If they feed them and water them, let them use your bush for shelter, they are more of an owner then the queen or the guy that shows up with the queens tag to harvest them. I know everyone wants something for free but don't you think its time to pay the true cost of the sport you enjoy? If you want to hunt the queens land so be it, it is hers to do as with as she pleases.

I hate to burst your ####ing bubble, but bambi was around long, lonnnng before your great-great-great-grandpa turned the earth and planted some seeds....

 

[the spank]

there is a farmer where i work he even stated that if we have enough rain where farmers cant get out and plant, they will air drop seeds just to get that gov money, as long as it is plant they are covered even if it all rots due to water

Yes and as long as it is registered as a working farm the taxes are halved. Fellow I know didn't do anything with his 200 acres for two years after purchasing it from his father, the municipality sent him a letter telling him if it was no longer going to be farmed he had to let them know for setting up his municipal tax base. If he declared it as a working farm once again then the taxes he was overdue on would be halved so he declared it a working farm and had his brother cut and bail the weeds. Looks funny when you drive by and see round bails of weeds. Don't know what they will feed those to but they are still out in the fields going on week three now.................

 

[roccoskeet]

Maybe you guys that think you own anything should check the Canadian Charter of Rights and actually see that as Canadians you don't own anything ! This is not the U.S or the UK. You have no right to the ownership of personal property. That even includes your car or your land or even your T.V.
By "Order of counsel" can be taken and you do not have to be compensated. It is not a "Right" to be compensated.
Thank Trudeau and Ed Braodbent for that one.
Dont beleive it look it up, or ask your MP.
Didnt mean to change course of thread but when the word "Ownership" gets used I get stirred up .
We dont own anything !

 

[bearkilr]

Its called insurance for crop failure and you have to pay into it to recieve it. As for damage ask the farmers you hunt for how much they get. I can tell you, zero. The crown should pay all farmers for the damage her animals do to crops on private property or let me protect my crop. I can see how some would think they are theirs. If they feed them and water them, let them use your bush for shelter, they are more of an owner then the queen or the guy that shows up with the queens tag to harvest them. I know everyone wants something for free but don't you think its time to pay the true cost of the sport you enjoy? If you want to hunt the queens land so be it, it is hers to do as with as she pleases.

May as well get money for that too, lord knows there's a government compensation package for just about any inconvenience a farmer may face.
The days of taking responsibility and realizing that sometimes life's a ##### have long passed. Perhaps you'd prefer government run farms like the Russians had under communist rule or become serfs as under the Feudal system?
Compensation..............sometimes shi* happens, deal with it.

 

[StoneHorse]

Maybe you guys that think you own anything should check the Canadian Charter of Rights and actually see that as Canadians you don't own anything ! This is not the U.S or the UK. You have no right to the ownership of personal property. That even includes your car or your land or even your T.V.
By "Order of counsel" can be taken and you do not have to be compensated. It is not a "Right" to be compensated.
Thank Trudeau and Ed Braodbent for that one.
Dont beleive it look it up, or ask your MP.
Didnt mean to change course of thread but when the word "Ownership" gets used I get stirred up .
We dont own anything !

I believe you have to be compensated (fair market value ) and the expropriation has to go through a court if you are not happy with the amount offered.

Canada has no property rights, your land can be taken from you by the government for a number of reasons. If seized under "proceeds of crime" you get diddly. Trudeau actually tried to get property rights into the Canadian Charter of Rights, the Provinces were against it (read socialism). In Canada, you don't really "own" the land you are sitting on. Be it a house lot or a million acre ranch that has been in your family since your great-great-great grandfather came over here by boat.

You are the legal occupier of your land unless the government says otherwise. I still need your permission to hunt or crossover your property.

 

[Home3]

The days of taking responsibility and realizing that sometimes life's a ##### have long passed. Compensation..............sometimes shi* happens, deal with it.

Life has been a ##### for many farmers in Canada, non-stop, for a few decades now. Farmers are one group I don't mind my tax money going to. Prefer that to Banks and large Corporations getting tax brakes.

 

[Home3]

Canada has no property rights, your land can be taken from you by the government for a number of reasons. Trudeau actually tried to get property rights into the Canadian Charter of Rights,.. You are the legal occupier of your land unless the government says otherwise. I still need your permission to hunt or crossover your property.

Unfortunately, the ownership part of the above comment is true. That's why your deed refers to you as either "Common Tenant" or "Joint Tenant". That has no effect on our subject matter though.

p.s. I didn't know Trudeau tried to fix this issue. Good for him.

 

[Paatz]

I'm not a farmer, but I have some virgin bushland.
This thread is such a bummer, I'd like to offer any CGNer who wants to hunt on Lake of the Woods to come up and hunt on my land. I would want some meat in return, maybe a roast or a couple of steaks. You'll need a boat, it's on an island.

 

[Brutus]

Life has been a ##### for many many farmers in Canada, non-stop, for a few decades now. Farmers are one group I don't mind my tax money going to.

Met many of these same 'poor farmers' who sadly had to winter in Mesa or St. Pete's every single Canadian winter.
I've lived in Sask/Alberta long enough to hear from dealers the considerable rifle/ammunition tax breaks given to farmers.
How about the equilivant to 40% off a brand new rifle, for each fiscal year?
How does free rimfire ammunition grab you?
The province of Saskatchewan has the PFRA to help farmers protect soil loss due to windy conditions. Free plants to block wind and trap valueable topsoil. In some places every single square inch of land is seeded for cash crop only. No room for windrows of any type. As well as preventing topsoil loss, these windrows can provide some protection for wildlife and valueable bird nesting habitiat. For some unknown reason, just east into Manitoba one sees much more windrows and also west into Alberta, a little more concern for topsoil protection. But IMO, Manitoba is the best example in this regard. In North Dakota right of ways cannot be harvested in rural farm areas for hay, as they are considered nesting grounds for birds. Canadian farmers do not practice this for the most part, personal motivations are highly suspect on this matter. The term purple gas originates from Canadian farming, I wonder if there is any other industry here that has similar cost defraying benefits in our nation? There is an outdated law still on the books for Canadian Forces members for early release from contract. If they come from a farming family, and are needed on the farm, the CF has to release them regardless of thier terms of service! Not many professions can weasle out of military service for any reason.
Now livestock/horse breeders and the slavery of diary farming..........well my hat is off to them!
The single crop farmers are at the mercy of market value. But realistically it's the diverisified farmers with forward thinking that are the best off in Canadian agriculture IMO. When I hear the term 'poor farmers' I wonder if the speaker of those words actually have some background information.

I'm divided on this issue.

 

[roccoskeet]

Unfortunately, the ownership part of the above comment is true. That's why your deed refers to you as either "Common Tenant" or "Joint Tenant". That has no effect on our subject matter though.

p.s. I didn't know Trudeau tried to fix this issue. Good for him.

Trudeau did try to give property rights to Canadians . And by property I don't just mean land but personal property.
But he caved into the NDP on this point as the NDP would have blocked the Energy Accord. So Trudeau had to give into not allowing Canadians to the "Right " to ownership of personal property.
Any item in your life can be confiscated with no guarantee of reimbursement , "By order of council"
Don't believe it ? call or write your MP.
I don't want to hijack this thread so I will drop this point.

I'm a farm boy from Ontario. One of the best quotes I've ever heard came from a farm boy buddy of mine as he looked down at a town kid he pounded the crap out of.
" Never make fun of a farmer if you want a mouth full of food that day"

He probably heard that from his dad. But it still rings true.

 

[guido]

I dont see what is so funny.

Wildlife damage to agricultural crops is estimated by the Ontario Soil & Crop Improvement Association (OSCIA) to cost farmers approximately $41 million in crop and livestock losses annually.White-tailed deer and geese caused 40-50% of the damage to forages and wheat, and deer caused 45% of soybean damage attributed to wildlife.
Similarly, an intensive survey of species use and crop depredation by Purdue University found that raccoons and white-tailed deer caused 95% of damage in surveyed crop fields
That is false. Damage did not cost any farmer, it may have dipped into his profits, but it didn't dip into his pockets. There is a difference.

As for me begin happy that the governments lets me own the property I have paid for, well, only a liberal or dipper would think that way. Maybe you could send them a thank card at christmas for them allowing you to own your house.
No, you should thank the CPC's
Or, build a fence big enough fence to protect your crop from all those mean animals.
You have no idea, do you.

Sarcasm, you don't get it do you?

 

[bearkilr]

Life has been a ##### for many farmers in Canada, non-stop, for a few decades now. Farmers are one group I don't mind my tax money going to. Prefer that to Banks and large Corporations getting tax brakes.

Bull sh+t. Grain prices are high, cattle prices are very high.
I have no problem with famers getting help when truly necessary, but these days they are getting handouts for nearly everything. If there's a freak spring blizzard, they get compensation for animal deaths. If there's too much rain, they get compensated for flooded hayland/cropland. If there's not enough rain, they get compensation to buy hay. No other business gets as many compensation packages made available to them by government as farming.

And yes, on paper many farmers look "poor", but IMO you lose that status when you can afford to spend $1,000,000 on equipment every year.

And no farmer will ever admit that things are going well, that's common knowledge.

 

[the spank]

Bull sh+t. Grain prices are high, cattle prices are very high.
I have no problem with famers getting help when truly necessary, but these days they are getting handouts for nearly everything. If there's a freak spring blizzard, they get compensation for animal deaths. If there's too much rain, they get compensated for flooded hayland/cropland. If there's not enough rain, they get compensation to buy hay. No other business gets as many compensation packages made available to them by government as farming.

And yes, on paper many farmers look "poor", but IMO you lose that status when you can afford to spend $1,000,000 on equipment every year.

And no farmer will ever admit that things are going well, that's common knowledge.

You must have been at my cousin's farm.....LOL! I have never heard two people cry so much in my life about being poor. When I look at the house, barns , equipment, expensive cars and toys and they can afford to travel to Europe/Cuba/Dominican each year I would love to be so poor!

 

[pikesroad]

Sarcasm, you don't get it do you?

You are something else, I cant believe you said it costs me nothing. Its like saying the taxes you pay to the government is not your money its the governments. So stealing from a store costs them nothing because it comes out of their profit, right?If I make my living from my crops and "your" animals destroy them, am I Not entitled to compensation? For you, no, because why? Because they where here before, sounds like a true dipper to me.

For the rest of the want to be farmers out their , the deer population is double of what it was before white man. If we are on that line of thinking, time to give up your houses, i will bring the D9 to make room for the deer. But no, you want to use my property, not yours. Just let me know your address and I will return them to you. Time to put your money where your mouth is and be one with nature.

Next time you should try using the right size font, you look like a dipper screaming when you don't. Try not being a commie and a freeload and pay for what you want.

 

[pikesroad]

Bull sh+t. Grain prices are high, cattle prices are very high.
I have no problem with famers getting help when truly necessary, but these days they are getting handouts for nearly everything. If there's a freak spring blizzard, they get compensation for animal deaths. If there's too much rain, they get compensated for flooded hayland/cropland. If there's not enough rain, they get compensation to buy hay. No other business gets as many compensation packages made available to them by government as farming.

And yes, on paper many farmers look "poor", but IMO you lose that status when you can afford to spend $1,000,000 on equipment every year.

And no farmer will ever admit that things are going well, that's common knowledge.

Why don't you buy one then? Why don't you post some numbers and programs so we can all hit the lotto? Thats right, you can't and the rest can't either because its BS. Post one if you can, run the numbers! lets see them. Stop talking and lets see the proof.

 

[pikesroad]

LETS see some numbers so we can all hop on the gravy train. Come on internet heros or is it all BS. JUST THE NUMBERS PLEASE, FORGET THE BASHING.

I have been feeding your animals for years, just because they where here before we were doesn't give them the right to destroy my crop on private property. You do know what private property is in your commie world right? This is why every fellow farmer i know I tell KEEP THE CITY CLOWNS OUT.

 

[pikesroad]

Sarcasm, you don't get it do you?

Why dont you show some stats so I can be enlightened.

 

[the spank]

sounds like a true dipper to me.



Next time you should try using the right size font, you look like a dipper screaming when you don't. Try not being a commie and a freeload and pay for what you want.

WOW, in all the back and forth discussion nobody came on here calling you names but you did right off the bat so I guess it is no holds barred since you opened that can of worms and are really throwing it around now.........

Nobody sounds more like a DIPPER than you do, you want to be compensated for everything that touches your property, crops, etc??

Hey,maybe you can get some money out of mother nature too for her hail or winds damaging your crops,oh wait, you already do, from the TAXPAYER, yes the majority of which are those so called CITY PEOPLE you detest so much, you know, the ones who BUY your harvest good's and provide you with a living. Think about this, if you sue mother nature you can DOUBLE DIP in true DIPPER form, that's right you can screw over the TAXPAYER and MOTHER NATURE simultaneously!

I don't hear you offering to pay her for her rain or sunshine though when you need or want it, only if she sends you more than you require, then you want to be compensated for it?? WOW! TALK ABOUT DIPPER MENTALITY!!!

 

[ER243]

With attitudes of some of the cityiots on here no wonder you don't get permission to hunt.
This thread is a complete .
Wouldn't bother me if mods closed it.

 

[guido]

Why dont you show some stats so I can be enlightened.

I will not argue with an idiot. i find when I do, I lower myself to their level, then get beat by experience.