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hi guys i have been reading some of the stuff by the guys on here who have the fn fal type rifles and been thinking i want something in 7.62x51

i seen some m305's for around $500 so i figured id buy one but i got to ask do all of them have no bayonet lug

also teel me the good and bad on these guns

im not looking for oe hole groups maybe fist size max(it is a battle rifle after all) so every thing would be stock

also anyone run things like czech,norinco and other surplus in there m305's this would be storage ammo for me and where to find cheap mags
 
1) the guys with the fn-fals are reliving ancient days- they're all safe queens as of 2005
2)some of the LATER MODELS of the 305 have the bayonet lug
3)do some research- the good and bad has been re-hashed many times
4)cheap mags?- ha
 
1) the guys with the fn-fals are reliving ancient days- they're all safe queens as of 2005
2)some of the LATER MODELS of the 305 have the bayonet lug
3)do some research- the good and bad has been re-hashed many times
4)cheap mags?- ha

i know about the 12.x rifles being safe queens now thats not the point im saying i want something in x51 :p
 
hey there, I got my Norc 305 in May, i've put about 400 rounds through it already.
i put about 100 MFS 140grn Russain bullets through it. seemed to be no problems. shooting fairly accurate with a red dot out to 300m. i used the remington 308 soft tips 150grn. i noticed a bit more of a punch, but nothing seriously different. personally i think the rifle likes the 7.62 nato. 400 rounds and some light cleaning after each day of shooting. i have 2 5rnd mags, and i found some 5/20 round plastic mags on a trip south of the border.

good luck with it.

hope you dont get too torn appart on your posts through CGN. i find people on here can be nasty.
 
The Norks are great for the price. I've seen them go for ~400 on the EE. They are usually around 449.00 right now for carbine(18.5") and Rifle(22") new. Canada Ammo had a wicked deal on shorty(18.5s) and 520 rounds of ammo. Probably all gone by now.

It seems the 2009 stamped receivers mostly came with factory bayonet lug. The batch Marstar brought in last were stamped 2011 M305B, IIRC and had factory bayonet lug. If you get an older model say a 2007, you can always add a lugged flash hider later.

Extra mags are a little hard to come by right now new,..but I'm sure there will be new shipments at some point, and possibly dropping the prices a bit.

I've put a fair bit of commercial .308Win through mine, and find it all to be 100% reliable. The S&B seems to group best in mine, although I've got a pierced primer with it. MFS seems to have the widest spread in velocity over my chronograph, while Norinco 7.62X51, seems to be bang on M-80 ball spec, averaging 2804 feet per second @ 15 feet over my chrony.

6388 posted he noticed a little more oomph from the Remington 150s over the MFS. I saw the MFS clock as low as 2620fps and thats on only a 145 grain bullet.:eek: You wont notice alot at 100 yards punching paper over iron sights with this.
If you've got a rifle that has inherently accuracy of say 3.5 MOA, than you may not notice at 100 yds, but I'm sure the big spread in the MFS velocity and the average low velocity, may start to show up and considerably widen your MOA at distance (+300 meters).

Maybe there are others who have fired this MFS at distances greater than 300 meters and can give an apples to apples comparison on groupings beyond 100 yards.


These rifle's will give you your Cold War, Nato Battle Rifle fix, seeing as the FN- FAL is now unfortunately a safe queen.:)
 
the mag prices are a little out there seems theres about a $25 low here and a $50 high im kind of jealous of the guys down south average price for a 20rd mag over there is $16 and i seen them go for around $12 and 30rd at $20

hmm i wounder how much it would cost in import/export fee's to have some pinned and brought up here
 
the mag prices are a little out there seems theres about a $25 low here and a $50 high im kind of jealous of the guys down south average price for a 20rd mag over there is $16 and i seen them go for around $12 and 30rd at $20

hmm i wounder how much it would cost in import/export fee's to have some pinned and brought up here

Hi, the lowest priced mags I could buy , 2 weeks ago, were 35 bucks a piece. There are that many pple looking for mags I thiught if it were feasable and possible, somebody would have tried a group buy from "down there".
I get good results with 150 gr.
And the gun itself is a no worries winner. Sure everything needs tightening up a bit, but then you got yourself a nice RELIABLE 7.62x51 (Gods round) that goes bang everytime you pull the trigger. Pi-s easy to look after and solid as a rock. strip down and reassemble carefull and you have a winner. We might pay a lot for the mags but our neighbours cant even buy the gun....shame :)
 
Chinese M-14's are not perfect, and have a few common shortcommings, but they are a fantastic value.

The receivers fit all USGI made parts, including barrels. Headspace is almost always not only within spec, but near the middle of the spec (a good thing). The receivers aren't pretty, but they ARE stronger than Springfield Armoury's M1A's (cast) because the Chinese ones are forged with strong steel.

The barrels are really quite good, not a shortcoming, so no real need to replace them to get accuracy. It's the rest of the M-14 design, and the Chinese triggers, that need cleaning up or tweeking, to maximize the accuracy. Do that, and groups of 1 to 1.5 MOA should be achievable consistently. There are countless threads in this sub-forum, but the two main ones are: "national match op-rod spring guide", and testing out different ammo loads because some will print much better than others...only trial and error will tell you which.

Consistent sub-MOA just doesn't really seem practical or cost effective to achieve with this rifle design, at any cost or effort. But realistically, consistent 1.5 MOA is really darn good for 99% of people's needs.

Downsides?
-The Chinese iron sights are garbage IMO, poor aperture dimensions, and the parts may not all be heat treated properly. The easy fix is to either buy a scope and mount, or replace the iron sights with either USGI, Italian or Springfield iron sight parts (or any of the other quality US companies making iron sights). I picked National Match iron sights, which I love, which consists of a narrower more precise front blade (great for accuracy, not compromising speed much), a tighter but more precise rear aperture that's also hooded (really like), and new gear system (don't care for it much, slightly different than the standard gears). The upside, is the iron sight SYSTEM for these rifles is among the very best designs the world has ever seen.

-Chinese stocks suck. They used to come with a very soft "mystery wood" that was just garbage. Now days and for the last several years, they come with a functional black plastic stock that's ok...it's plenty strong IMO, and would work well if top accuracy isn't your goal. But, most of us either have or intend to replace the Chinese plastic with an American stock, or one of the two brand new high quality, hi tech Canadian stocks (strong ultra-light carbon fibre stocks made by Ingram Custom Rifleworks that seem to be just 33% the weight of ALL other M-14 stocks, or the new aluminium from M-14.ca). A cheap fast road to accuracy is a national match spring guide, and a USGI stock.

-they need to be greased...not just a dab of WD-40, but actually GREASED. This isn't a shortcoming of the Chinese rifles, but rather an inherent design requirement for the entire family of Garand/M-14/M1A rifles. And while it's a bit dirty to apply and clean off, I've gotten used to it, and it'll help to ensure longevity and reliability, through proper lubrication.

So say you buy one, out of the box it's a cheap .308 rifle, that will give you 4 more shots fast. If you do a few tweeks, replace a few of the parts mentioned, you'll put fist sized groups at 300m, dependably, for a total cost of 1/2 that of a Springfield M1A. Or less.

Americans pay far more ($1000) for the now-proven Chinese M-14's imported in the early 90's, than we get to pay ($450), in part because they are good, in part because they no longer can import new ones.
 
Also new to the M305. So far I have a CASM Gen 2 with a bushnell 10x40 elite, and waiting for my Archangel stock purchased off of the EE. Wheres the best place to purchase one of these "National Match Spring Guides"? thanks
 
maybe we can do a group buy some how i could have a bunch sent to a friend then i go down pin them and the we have the import/export stuff done

Locate a US manufacturer of these magazines who has registered with US DOS to have his products exported. Locate a licenced US exporter who will handle the US end of the transaction. Make darn sure exactly how much the licenced US exporter is going to charge you for handling the export. Obtain a Canadian IIC and send it to your US exporter.
Have the magazines shipped to your friend, go down and rivet them, then send them to the exporter with whom you have made the arrangement.
Cross your fingers and hope they clear CBSA. Pay the taxes.
If you were to do a run of 100 magazines and made a profit of $5 per, your M-305 would be paid for.
 
like i said though im only looking for battle rifle accuracy with what ever i put in the mag

i know most off of youtube but somethings are different because most of those vids are with US made guns

i really just want to know about the ammo and what to stay away from what will run it well adn what will not(mainly factory ammo witch i will be shooting and saving surplus for what even may happen)
 
Locate a US manufacturer of these magazines who has registered with US DOS to have his products exported. Locate a licenced US exporter who will handle the US end of the transaction. Make darn sure exactly how much the licenced US exporter is going to charge you for handling the export. Obtain a Canadian IIC and send it to your US exporter.
Have the magazines shipped to your friend, go down and rivet them, then send them to the exporter with whom you have made the arrangement.
Cross your fingers and hope they clear CBSA. Pay the taxes.
If you were to do a run of 100 magazines and made a profit of $5 per, your M-305 would be paid for.

all hopes
 
like i said though im only looking for battle rifle accuracy with what ever i put in the mag

i know most off of youtube but somethings are different because most of those vids are with US made guns

i really just want to know about the ammo and what to stay away from what will run it well adn what will not(mainly factory ammo witch i will be shooting and saving surplus for what even may happen)

There is more information about these rifles on this site than you can shake a stick at.
Spend some time looking at the material which has been posted by Hungry, M14Doctor and others.

Try using the search function with "Hungry", "M14", and an 18 month default.
 
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