Turning 30/06 Brass into 8x57 Mauser for your K98's

Dutchie

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I have been a big fan of Mausers for a long time and when I go to the range with my K98k, I always get positive comments and interest on my rifle's when I fire them. (It beats any Lee Enfield in almost every category, except mag capacity) Then I also get the typical comments on how hard it is to find 8x57mm at a decent price in this country.

So, motivated by the need to shoot this famous combat rifle and due my wife’s meager ammo budget, I decided the best way for was to manufacture my own ammo. (And I enjoy doing so as well) So after fellow shooters at the range kept asking me where I got am ammo from, I decided to write up a little” how to” for 8x57mm fans. You don’t need to be a machinist. But you do need to have some tools outside of the typical reloading set up to manufacture your own 8x57mm Brass. A small interest in metal work would also be helpful.
Hunting season is my favourite time of year. The only thing I hunt for is 30/06 Brass at the range after the hunters have sighted their 30/06 rifle at our local 200 Yard range. This is what I use for the base cartridge. (Yes it’s free, and that’s most of the reason as well)

The steps are relatively easy.

Here we have a picture comparison of the 30/06 and a 8x57mm remanufactured cartridge.
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Step 1
Find some good 30/06 Brass, and clean them up. Set up your FL resizing die with out the decapping/expander assembly installed. Lubricate the cases on a case lube pad. Ensure you do not put excessive lube on the shoulder or the neck of the case. This reduces the chance that you might end up with a lube dent on the shoulder. Run the case through the die to set back the shoulder. You will end up with a funny looking elongated 30/06 case.
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This is what the 30.06 case looks like after it has gone through the 8mm FL resize dies with the expander and decapping pin assembly removed.
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This is the point where I will anneal the case mouth and quench in water to make it softer to relieve the stress and prevent future splits. I heat the brass mouth up with a propane torch to the point where I can’t hold the case head with my fingers any longer without burning myself. (The tip will begin to turn red) Be careful not to over heat the brass. You want the case head to retain it’s harness and only the mouth and neck to be softer. This will greatly improve case life and add many neck sizeing reloading sessions.
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At this point, I will mark the cases with my vernier caliper .250 from the case mouth so I can cut off the extra brass.
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Using a small made up Jig, and my trusty Dremel tool, cut off the excessive neck brass. Don’t forget to wear safety glasses.
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Install the cut off brass case into your trimmer, and trim and square off the mouth to 2.234. Leave it .004 longer than the maximum trim length, so when you expand the mouth to .323, the case comes out a perfect max trim length of 2.230 (Most of the time)
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Deburr the outer and inner case mouth. (Don’t remove to much. A square inside diameter is desireable.

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Clean the case mouth and remove and bits of brass that fell into the case from the machining process. Lubricate the case neck and mouth.
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Install the expander and decapping pin assembly onto the FL sizing die, to a point where the decapping pin will remove the spent primer.
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Run the case into the die, being “caseful” as this is where the expander ring is opening the case mouth from .308 to .323. You will feel a bit of resistance, but push on through! (This is where the lube comes in handy that you applied earlier) This is also where you should adjust your die to ensure proper chambering in the particular rifle you’re shooting this ammo in. Watch the spent primer fall out when the press bottoms out.
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Expander and decapping pin.
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Check the mouth dimensions to ensure a .323 diameter.
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This point is used if you’re using military brass like I am. You have to swage out the crimped in primer pocket, so a new primer will seat firmly. I use the Super swage by Dillon.
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CLEANING CLEANING CLEANING. Clean out the primer residue from your newly swaged primer pocket using a small screw driver or equivalent
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I also remove any burs from the inside case of the primer flash hole with the RCBS flash hole deburring tool. A quick twist, and the flash hole is precision uniform.
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Another check of the OAL of 2.230
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Run a few of the resized cases through the action you’re going to shoot them from, to ensure proper feeding and cycling. These cases needed a slightly firm pressure to lock the bolt down into battery. Be careful not to damage the case mouth, and guide the case into the chamber.
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Time to prime the cases using the RCBS hand held priming tool. The swage was just right. The primers are held in firmly.
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Getting just the right amount of powder to reach 2525 FPS for a 198 Grain FMJ bullet to duplicate the standard Military World War 2 Ball round.
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Seating the bullet on the cannalure, and slightly crimping it in place. This is why the Overall length is so important during the trimming process.
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The completed cartridge.
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The original 30/06 on the left, and the remanufactured 30/06/8mmx57mm Mauser on the right.
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Some K98 Eye candy with locally manufactured ammo. Just as good as factory. Maybe even better....
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Some guys might do some of the steps in a different order. This is just works for me. If you have any questions, feel free to ask.
Range test is next. Pics to follow when I have some time to get out to the range
Dutchie
 
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Nice write up, but that is a lot of work just to avoid buying actual 8x57 headstamped brass. I do agree that the 8x57 really comes alive with handloads.


Mark

Seeing the price difference between 30-06 and 8x57 brass will make you realize very quickly why we do it. I can pick up 30-06 brass all day at the range, 8mm mauser? not so much. Buying new brass for 8x57 you are looking at double the price of 30-06.

My technique is a bit different.

after washing the brass the first thing i do is run 30-06 through the 30-06 die to remove the primer, a depriming tool would work just as well.

I then trim the brass on my lathe to just a bit over the overall length. Trying to trim annealed brass is much harder as the metal is softer and will want to "tear" instead of snapping cleanly off.

The brass is then annealed, quenched in water and then dried. Following day the brass is run normally through a 8x57 die, trimmed and ready to be primed and loaded.

btw, you can also do the same thing with 270win brass. So far i've had one case crack out of 200 or so that i converted. In fact my Yugo M48 is mostly fed 270 and 30-06 brass, i have maybe 20 pieces of actual 8x57 brass, the rest is all converts.
 
Oh hell, you go thru all that trouble with the dremel ?

Get yourself a lee trimmer with the right mandrel. You put the one end in a power drill, tighten the case in good, take the cutting end, put it in a vise grip to hold it. Cut down and done.

That's how I do it anyway. I do this all the time turning 30-06 into 7.62 brass for my M14. It loves loves loves R-P -06 brass.

You should also point out that this converted shell likely has less case capacity then the original round, as such, you have to shave a grain or two off your manual list max load. My 7.62 conv' brass is about 2 grains less then 308. Actual 7.62 brass is 4 grains less then 308.

I fully get your philosophy behind it, why pay for new brass when you can convert free brass. It looks like a lot of work at first, but you only have to do it once per batch, and if your results are anything like mine, I literally get 5x more firings out of the heavier converted brass then I do original 308.
 
ive been doing this for a long time now. one thing to remember is that you have to make the case mouth thinner

He not cutting as deep as we are with our 7.62 conv's.
The brass might still be fairly thin for him at that length.

If he started doing this without doing the scotch tape test, then he's somewhat lucky. That old battle gun probably has a forgiving throat anyway, most battle guns do.

He should be making a point to mention that tho, if someone else's Mauser equiv has a tighter throat this guide can turn their gun into a grenade.

Now if only there was brass I could convert to 7.62x54r.
 
Umm, begging your pardon but isn't complaining about the cost of brass for an 1943 K98 a lot like complaining about the mileage of your Lambo?
Personally I just go and buy 3 boxes of good brass and be done with it.
I don't see the time spent as worth the trouble.
Very neat to see how it's done though.
 
Good write-up - thanks. I have done this sort of thing many times for obsolete cartridges, but I did it only once with 8X57 for the experience.

With Winchester 30/06 brass going for about $0.50/each and 8X57 for about $0.63, my time is better sent elsewhere than to save 13 cents/cartidge. As for using range brass, I typically leave it there for others.

That having been said, there are savings (especially with range brass), and if you enjoy it, go for it. You learn a lot doing it as well.
 
I resized about 50 30-06 cases to 8mm. I just hacksawed 1/4 inch off then ran it thru my Lee sizing die, trimmed, chamfered and loaded. Didn't go thru all that rigamorole above.
 
or, you can just run an '06 reamer in there and make an 8mm/06 - there's a LOT of those around- used to be called the "miser's magnum"-
 
Seeing the price difference between 30-06 and 8x57 brass will make you realize very quickly why we do it. I can pick up 30-06 brass all day at the range, 8mm mauser? not so much. Buying new brass for 8x57 you are looking at double the price of 30-06.

I have never seen 30-06 brass on the ground at any of the ranges I frequent, your is much different than mine.


With Winchester 30/06 brass going for about $0.50/each and 8X57 for about $0.63,

This is what I was thinking. Last time I bought 8x57 brass it was nowhere near twice the price of 30-06.

OP did a great job on the write up and obviously has way more time on his hands than I do. If it makes him happy to rework the brass, go for it. I was simply commenting that the cost of brass doesn't justify all that work in my world. When all is considered, I spend way more on fuel to get to the range than I ever have on brass. I could buy Lapua brass for every rifle I load for and it still wouldn't amount to more than a small fraction of the total money spent on shooting.

OP's K98 looks to be a beautiful piece of milsurp art, too. Nice to see it getting out and being used.


Mark
 
i dunno, when i was looking to buy the M48, ammo availability was priority 1.

No one in GTA stocks it, Tradeex has some but after shipping and taxes it comes out to be ove $30 a 20....$1.50 a round.

When i was looking at brass, same thing. Nobody stocked it locally or wanted to order it, after shipping it would be close to 80c a case.

I picked up around 100 30-06 and 90 270win on sunday at the range. Had i been more "meticilous" i could have probably gotten another 50 each.

Its a hobby. I either reload or watch TV or do something else....its too damn hot to be outside right now and my reloading "station" is in my cool basement.

anywho...to "reform" 100pcs of 30-06 or 270win probably takes about 1.5 to 2 hours not including the brass cleaning and drying time.
 
I know what you mean...it only costs your time and if you have it...then why not ?


If your hands ever get tired and need some 8x57 brass, Higginson's has once fired for 12$ per 50 or 31.50$ per 50 new.

I had found a good deal when I first got into it (I reload 8x57 for my father) I bought 50 pieces of PPU brass for 25$ shipped and ive never needed to buy more.
 
Making life easier is no fun, when you can figure problems out yourself.

A shooting sension is 100 rounds or more. Buying someones, "once fired brass" is not reliable when you're shooting them regularly, and need to know what your case life is going to be. They might be fine for a couple of loading sesions, but that's about it.
 
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