M14 safety only works when rifle is cocked?

[brokendownyota]

u.s. weapons m1, m14 and m16 family require you to #### the weapon to load/put on safe. it is the design.

regarding the m16 type rifle, the hammer has to be down to allow the bolt to pass over it to the rear when fired. the buffer and spring then sends the bolt forward, over top of the hammer cocking the weapon again. if the rifle is not cocked first the bolt can not go back, the hammer will be in its path. the seletor works in cojunction with the position of the hammer (hammer down, selector can move to safe).

that is were the u.s. military (army?) term, "lock and load" comes from...

- #### the weapon
- put on safe
- load magazine

so it is 100% natural and kosher regarding your safety.

as far as any u.s. milatary m16 family weapon being able to apply the safety with out cocking isn't true (burnaby soldier). unless it was n/s. i've worked a lot with the u.s. army. 3rd armoured, 10th mnt and 82nd abn. i have had ample hands on with m16a1 and a2 none of them would allow the safety to be ingaged with out cocking first. it goes against the design. also (burnaby soldier) the c7 family is the same design as a m16 family. although full auto (u.s. a1 auto, a2 3 round burst), heavier barrel and a1 upper. probably missing a few things. has nothing to do with what you elude to, as lack of training of canadian soldiers.

but take what i'm saying and add $1.35 and you may get a coffee at tim's.

please cut me some slack on terms and such. i'm going by memory and that aint so sharp all the time lol.

Either this is incorrect, or the American army folks I've dealt with were strange. I was routinely "corrected" (And I do mean routinely...multiple occasions) in the DFAC's on KAF for not having my rifle on safe. Either the 'mercan troops were all running around hammers cocked, weapons safe, no magazine in, or there is some strange variation in how this system functions.

-Scott

 

[recce]

Either this is incorrect, or the American army folks I've dealt with were strange. I was routinely "corrected" (And I do mean routinely...multiple occasions) in the DFAC's on KAF for not having my rifle on safe. Either the 'mercan troops were all running around hammers cocked, weapons safe, no magazine in, or there is some strange variation in how this system functions.

-Scott

That's their drill, mag out cocked and put on safe.

 

[tiriaq]

.....regarding the m16 type rifle, the hammer has to be down to allow the bolt to pass over it to the rear when fired. the buffer and spring then sends the bolt forward, over top of the hammer cocking the weapon again. if the rifle is not cocked first the bolt can not go back, the hammer will be in its path. the seletor works in cojunction with the position of the hammer (hammer down, selector can move to safe).....

The hammer is cocked when the BCG moves to the rear, either manually, or when the rifle is fired.

 

[king66]

look, i'm not trying to step on toes or anger any one. i haven't soldiered in a long time. weapons change, drills change, terms change. for me to suggest i am current on all matters military specialy foreign armies, would be a farce.

regarding the mag in or out.

i was refering to terms well over 20 plus years old. it was to illuminate the weapon has to be cocked and made safe (locked), then loaded (mag put in). i did not mean that was practiced today, because i have no way of knowing. but does it realy matter, for what were discussing? mag in or out, the weapon still needs to be cocked to put it on safe.

yes hammer, my bad. in my minds eye, i had it facing the other way. i no longer have a ar type rifle, was going by bad memory.

 

[RickR1100]

Either this is incorrect, or the American army folks I've dealt with were strange. I was routinely "corrected" (And I do mean routinely...multiple occasions) in the DFAC's on KAF for not having my rifle on safe. Either the 'mercan troops were all running around hammers cocked, weapons safe, no magazine in, or there is some strange variation in how this system functions.

-Scott

What likely was going on is this: they wanted chambers empty, magazine well empty, with the safety catch on "SAFE". Which means the hammers were cocked to the rear, but with the safety on, and an empty chamber, and empty mag well.

In this way, they can think to themselves "ok, I can't see in their chamber to see if there's ONE round in there, but the mag is off and the safety is on SAFE. Should be pretty safe then".

Whereas your rifle, you know you have no rounds in the mag, none in the chamber, and you are resting the hammer...and YOU know the rifle is safe...but in a camp with over 3000 people who might not be as skilled or familiar with the basic rifle...one of THEM could have a round in the chamber.

But no, their rifles would never have had the hammer resting, it'd be a cocked hammer, and lever on SAFE.

 

[RickR1100]

look, i'm not trying to step on toes or anger any one. i haven't soldiered in a long time. weapons change, drills change, terms change. for me to suggest i am current on all matters military specialy foreign armies, would be a farce.

regarding the mag in or out.

i was refering to terms well over 20 plus years old. it was to illuminate the weapon has to be cocked and made safe (locked), then loaded (mag put in). i did not mean that was practiced today, because i have no way of knowing. but does it realy matter, for what were discussing? mag in or out, the weapon still needs to be cocked to put it on safe.

yes hammer, my bad. in my minds eye, i had it facing the other way. i no longer have a ar type rifle, was going by bad memory.

No worries, I think you have both posts correct AFAIK.