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I'm going to africa next March, mostly to take photos but I will be taking a couple of trophies. As a Silhouette shooter I don't have any suitable rifles for plains game over there so I was thinking real hard about a SAKO or Tikka in 300 Win Mag.

Does anyone out there have one for sale or know of one ??? I'm in Calgary.

I saw one brand new in (believe it or not..) Canadian tire.

mcbeee@me.com
 
I have freinds in South Africa and from what they tell me most people use a 30-06 or 300WM for everything except dangerous game. They also tell me the best time to hunt is May or June. I will be going over there next year around the middle of May to the end of June.
 
I'm going to africa next March, mostly to take photos but I will be taking a couple of trophies. As a Silhouette shooter I don't have any suitable rifles for plains game over there so I was thinking real hard about a SAKO or Tikka in 300 Win Mag.

Does anyone out there have one for sale or know of one ??? I'm in Calgary.

I saw one brand new in (believe it or not..) Canadian tire.

mcbeee@me.com

Lots of .300wm in the EE, all makes and models...

P&D has LOTS of .300's...http://www.p-d-ent.com/index.php/firearms/17-centrefire-non-restricted
 
I'm going in Feb also mostly for a vacation with my wife but I am planning a short hunt (3 days or so). Because we are doing lots of travel I'm using the PH's rifle. Only have to pay for ammo which isn't cheap there I am told but it makes more sense to me then traveling with my rifle on a trip like this (family time mixed with a hunt).
 
Good info,
I know I can borrow a gun over there but I'm fussy, I'm used to my own custom rifles and ... although I quit hunting big game in '91 this was a semi excuse to get a new hunting rifle :D

My own rifles are 700 actions with Anschutz or Jackson triggers, shilen barrels and composite stocks but too small in calibre for Kudu's etc. (I shoot 6.5 Panther)

Ciao,
Mcbeee
 
I just landed in Cape Town doing 6 day out of the month we are here. We will be renting rifles, me a 30-06 and my 15 year old son a 308 Win. Last time I brought my on rifles they where a 9.3 x62 and a 375 H&H. Any thing 308 and up will work shot placement is the most important thing.
 
I have been to Africa hunting twice. If you are going to only take a couple of plains game animals, I would strongly suggest that you use one of the PH's rifles. There is a lot of hassle and red tape involved in exporting a firearm out of Canada and importing into an African country, as well as transiting through one or more other countries. You did not mention what country(s) you are visiting, but you should be aware that Canada does not permit firearms to be exported to some African countries, notably Zimbabwe.

If you were going on an extended hunt, especially one for dangerous game, my recommendation would be different.

Hugh
 
If you're gonna make the trek over to Africa Id buy a Sako before a Tikka just for the durability factor. Metal is far less to break or give problems then plastic. Not trying to troll, I love tikkas but Sako's are just better built. Personally Id take a Winchester FW..but thats me.
 
I'm going to africa next March, mostly to take photos but I will be taking a couple of trophies. As a Silhouette shooter I don't have any suitable rifles for plains game over there so I was thinking real hard about a SAKO or Tikka in 300 Win Mag.

Does anyone out there have one for sale or know of one ??? I'm in Calgary.

I saw one brand new in (believe it or not..) Canadian tire.

mcbeee@me.com

If you're not a hunter and if you don't have a favorite rifle that would make your adventure more memorable, there's much to be said for renting or borrowing a rifle once there. Contact the outfitter to see if that could be arranged, and what type of rifle you might end up using. Some camp guns can be pretty rough, while others are the best off the shelf rifles available. Which country are you going to? Some charge a fee for each firearm the hunter brings into the country, but all of them will endlessly nickel and dime you upon your arrival.

Africa is a big place, and hunting styles very. If you have difficult grass conditions as we did in the Selous due to the early season we chose, just seeing the game can be challenging. Conversely, if you experience dry conditions, the shrinking water courses provide good opportunities for both game viewing and hunting at reasonable ranges.

As for the rifle you intend to use, its to your benefit to hunt with a rifle of similar power to what you are used to shooting with. A .30/06 has a fine reputation in Africa for plains game, but I'd advise against a .300 magnum if you're primarily a small bore rifleman, provided you have a choice that is, you might not. If you currently shoot rifles in the .300-.338 class, you could hardly do better than a .300 magnum.

SAKO of course produces excellent rifles, although my preference runs towards the older ones. Avoid too much scope magnification as a wide field of view is more critical in hunting than is seeing the fine detail of your target, and avoid objectives large enough to cause you to lift you face off the comb to acquire your sight picture.

Typically you want a reasonably flat shooting rifle with which you can keep your bullets on a 12" target out to the maximum range at which you'll shoot, but without so much drop at your maximum range that precise range estimation becomes critical. Shots on game are ordinarily well within 200 yards, but the nature of African hunting is in transition, and a longer shot is not out of the question if you can manage it. As a seasoned silhouette shooter, the marksmanship problems you'll face will probably not be particularly challenging, although the hunting might be.
 
What cartridge is the panther based on?

It was the wildcat that became the 6.5x308 then morphed into the .260 Remington with a few minor tweaks here and there, mostly to take it back to the original 308 case.

I quit hunting years ago but I used to shoot a 7 Rem Mag, a 25/06, a 243 Semi Auto (just for fun) and my favourite was my Marlin 45/70 loaded up to the max that a Lever could take. It shot an antelope at 225yds, a bear at 5 yards, a few big Alberta deer , lots of gophers and the chimney off an abandoned farmhouse (the owner of the house was shooting at it too :D , with a puny .270 :cool:)

I think I'll probably borrow a PH's rifle or use my pals 340 Weatherby for the few shots I need. One question was about the trip there and rifle importation, good point. We're stopping in Germany for 3 days on the way in so it might get a bit sticky.

I was thinking 300 winmag for the future as well because I could play around with some long range shooting later on when I'm back and the 300wm is excellent for that. Probably need to rebarrel the rifle with something a bit more stiff than the factory bbl.
 
Look at the Tikka T3 Varmints for target and not that heavy really as far as weight to carry around on occasion. Borrow one while there for sure and buy yourself a new one anyway!

Lucky guy, you!
 
Look at the Tikka T3 Varmints for target and not that heavy really as far as weight to carry around on occasion. Borrow one while there for sure and buy yourself a new one anyway!

Lucky guy, you!

Meadow Lake eh? You might know the Suttils, Neil and Patty . And I think Greg Koch was up there for a while too. I bought a SAKO TRG in 6.5x55
off him a few years back. A real tackdriver. Had a Lilja barrel on it and shot quarter inch 5 shot groups any time you wanted.

I might take a look at the T3 Varmint, thanks.

Ciao,
Mcbeee
 
As for the rifle you intend to use, its to your benefit to hunt with a rifle of similar power to what you are used to shooting with. A .30/06 has a fine reputation in Africa for plains game, but I'd advise against a .300 magnum if you're primarily a small bore rifleman, provided you have a choice that is, you might not. If you currently shoot rifles in the .300-.338 class, you could hardly do better than a .300 magnum.

SAKO of course produces excellent rifles, although my preference runs towards the older ones. Avoid too much scope magnification as a wide field of view is more critical in hunting than is seeing the fine detail of your target, and avoid objectives large enough to cause you to lift you face off the comb to acquire your sight picture.

Typically you want a reasonably flat shooting rifle with which you can keep your bullets on a 12" target out to the maximum range at which you'll shoot, but without so much drop at your maximum range that precise range estimation becomes critical. Shots on game are ordinarily well within 200 yards, but the nature of African hunting is in transition, and a longer shot is not out of the question if you can manage it. As a seasoned silhouette shooter, the marksmanship problems you'll face will probably not be particularly challenging, although the hunting might be.

I used to hunt on my brother in laws (and his Dad's) place in South eastern Alberta, long shots were pretty normal. 250 to 400 was about average with the 7mm or the 25/06. I had to crawl a bit to get close enough with the 45/70.
Where we are going to hunt in South Africa looks like a cross between Southern Alberta and the Arizona desert...scrub with open clearings and a few hills. The lower Kalahari I think it's called, should be fun.
 
If you hunt in South Africa and take your own firearm (up to 5, one of which may be a handgun) your PH professional hunter will have to meet you at the airport (OR Tambo in Johannesburg). There is a police office and they will process your temp. import application (Form SAP 520, available on the internet). This could take an hour or longer. For a fee of about $70 -120 US a private firm can arrange all your South African permits for you. Search CHASA and PHASA. Your rifle and ammo will be released to you and your PH.

If you fly through the USA you also need an ATF permit, even if you never see your rifle after leaving Canada; could take 6-8 weeks.

If you hunt the Kalahari, some will use a 270, which I feel is too light. Go for a 30-06 with 150-165gr monometal bullets (Barnes -X or Hornady GMX), or 165-180gr premium bullets such as Nosler Partition or Swift A-Frame. In 300 Win Mag (not 300 WSM or any of the other 300 magnums, even though PMP in South Africa does load for the 300 H&H Mag) use 165-180gr monometal or 180-200gr premium bullets.

Going above 300 Win Mag, the only other calibre for which you will find ammo almost anywhere is the 375 H&H, although the 375 Ruger is gaining popularity, but few dealers will have ammo (Try VLT Arms in Pretoria = Ruger dealer.) Animals such as kudu gemsbuck, zebra and eland are big, tough and in the Kalahari distances could exceed 200-300m, so you want a powerfull flat shooting calibre with enough power at the target, but remember shot placement is the most important factor for a successful hunt.

Sako rifles are good, but expensive. I could not get my Sako 75 to work reliably when I had to do my PH qualification speed shoot in 2006, and eventually shot it with my Ruger 77 MK11. I have also owned 3 Tikka T3 rifles here in Canada (308 Win, 300 Win Mag, and 9,3x62 Mauser) and feel they offer more value for money than the expensive Sako rifles. At present I own several Ruger 77 Rifles (Hawkeye, Target and Safari Magnum) ranging in calibre from 22 LR to 458 Lott, and still believe these offer the best value for money in any serious and reliable rifle (dangerous game or tactical as in the Gunsite Scout).

At the end of the day a premium bullet, with good shot placement works best.

If you intend to take a handgun for hunting, only considder 44 Mag with 225gr monometal, or premium bullets as the 250gr Partition or 240 and 270 gr A-Frame. The 454 Casull is also very popular. A general 250gr hunting bullet will work well. The 460 S&W and 480 Ruger are also very poverful, but almost non existent as far as ammo in stores in South Africa are concerned. Go for a low magnification scope, 1 or 2 magnification, or a 1-4 variable. Ruger Super Redhawks with 7.5" barrels are about as long as hou could go. A shoulder holster works better than a holster on the hip, especially if you use a vehicle.

Also remember good shoes for the sand, and a hat and large water bottle!

Enjoy the hunt!
 
If you hunt in South Africa and take your own firearm (up to 5, one of which may be a handgun) your PH professional hunter will have to meet you at the airport (OR Tambo in Johannesburg). There is a police office and they will process your temp. import application (Form SAP 520, available on the internet). This could take an hour or longer. For a fee of about $70 -120 US a private firm can arrange all your South African permits for you. Search CHASA and PHASA. Your rifle and ammo will be released to you and your PH.

If you fly through the USA you also need an ATF permit, even if you never see your rifle after leaving Canada; could take 6-8 weeks.

If you hunt the Kalahari, some will use a 270, which I feel is too light. Go for a 30-06 with 150-165gr monometal bullets (Barnes -X or Hornady GMX), or 165-180gr premium bullets such as Nosler Partition or Swift A-Frame. In 300 Win Mag (not 300 WSM or any of the other 300 magnums, even though PMP in South Africa does load for the 300 H&H Mag) use 165-180gr monometal or 180-200gr premium bullets.

Going above 300 Win Mag, the only other calibre for which you will find ammo almost anywhere is the 375 H&H, although the 375 Ruger is gaining popularity, but few dealers will have ammo (Try VLT Arms in Pretoria = Ruger dealer.) Animals such as kudu gemsbuck, zebra and eland are big, tough and in the Kalahari distances could exceed 200-300m, so you want a powerfull flat shooting calibre with enough power at the target, but remember shot placement is the most important factor for a successful hunt.

Sako rifles are good, but expensive. I could not get my Sako 75 to work reliably when I had to do my PH qualification speed shoot in 2006, and eventually shot it with my Ruger 77 MK11. I have also owned 3 Tikka T3 rifles here in Canada (308 Win, 300 Win Mag, and 9,3x62 Mauser) and feel they offer more value for money than the expensive Sako rifles. At present I own several Ruger 77 Rifles (Hawkeye, Target and Safari Magnum) ranging in calibre from 22 LR to 458 Lott, and still believe these offer the best value for money in any serious and reliable rifle (dangerous game or tactical as in the Gunsite Scout).

At the end of the day a premium bullet, with good shot placement works best.

If you intend to take a handgun for hunting, only considder 44 Mag with 225gr monometal, or premium bullets as the 250gr Partition or 240 and 270 gr A-Frame. The 454 Casull is also very popular. A general 250gr hunting bullet will work well. The 460 S&W and 480 Ruger are also very poverful, but almost non existent as far as ammo in stores in South Africa are concerned. Go for a low magnification scope, 1 or 2 magnification, or a 1-4 variable. Ruger Super Redhawks with 7.5" barrels are about as long as hou could go. A shoulder holster works better than a holster on the hip, especially if you use a vehicle.

Also remember good shoes for the sand, and a hat and large water bottle!

Enjoy the hunt!

Excellent stuff ! I was already mulling it over in my head and was thinking " 180gr, Nosler Partition in a 300Winmag" Funny thing is , I found a 1 power scope in my drawer today, it was rescued from my dad's place when I cleaned it out two years ago.
I wonder what the PH has to lend ? My partner is taking a 340 Weatherby, a bit more than needed but what the heck?
 
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