WoW that ones epic. LoL. When I got my JRC I looked into the Ontario hunting regs for center fire rifle mag capacity. They mirror the laws in the criminal code. So if its legal to run a M14 or XCR with a 10 rnd mag, its legal to hunt with. I plan to use the XCR with a LAR mag this season. Why, because I can. Just gotta print out the hunting regs. And the mag ruling. And the frt number for the xcr lol. Happy shooting people
AIA 10 Round magazines in Norinco M305
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When this mag restriction topic comes up I notice everyone goes on about shotguns and 3rnds for this but full tube for that. A rifle is not a shotgun... "That is not your daddys shotgun private pile" lolso, bringing it up in a rifle discussion is kinda. Pointless and adds confusion.
And if you plan to go hunting with your 'legal magazine' XCR far from home, I would also strongly suggest that you carry with you a business card for your favourite firearms lawyer. That's so you will know who to call to get you out of jail when the local conservation officer makes his exciting arrest of someone hunting with what he knows is a prohibited weapon. It might not be a prohibited weapon, but I guarantee that by the time you establish that, your hunting trip will have been ruined and you may have spent more time than you cared to locked up in a remote detachment holding cell. Not to mention the search warrant the police will have obtained for your house in the meantime on the grounds that you possessed a prohibited weapon and might have more.
I haven't personally inspected either the LAR mag or the AIA one for their updated .308 Lee Enfield that will apparently fit an M305. I have owned dozens of other rifle and pistol mags and have handled hundreds more. The thing I have noticed is, a box magazine is basically a small metal or plastic box designed to hold a bunch of bullets. And small metal or plastic boxes designed to hold similar-sized objects look very much alike. Especially when they all fit the same slot in the same weapon.
If you have to prove first to an officer and then maybe to a judge that the particular little box you have in your rifle is in fact completely different from those in all the other rifles of the same make and model ... good luck!
Unless the manufacturer has marked an 'over-capacity' magazine clearly, indelibly and absolutely unmistakably with the make and model of its original intended 'legal capacity' pistol or bolt-action rifle, do not get caught using it in your semi-auto centrefire rifle. Even if the mag is in fact intended for use in the 'Model XYZ' pistol or bolt-action rifle, if that is not 100% clear from even a cursory examination of the mag, you may find yourself paying firearms experts and manufacturers' representatives more money than you believed possible to come testify about it in court.
Couldnt agree more..The authorities NEVER back down until youve spent your last nickel. They dont like to look as stupid as they seem and they have way more resources than the average guy or gal. And if you make em look stupid, guess whos getting an audit for the next 10 years.
I like a fight now and then but Im old enough to pick my fights......and just to prove a point...I wouldnt touch this one.
one- no such thing as a high cap mag.
two-who said i need all ten shots?
three-your humping around an m305 and consider an extra 5 rounds of 308 to be too much extra weight?
I know i dont legally need it...but two years ago i had to explain to an older C.O that my m305 in a m14doc cqb stock was not an m16 lol...He was a nice guy, just didnt know what it was lol...
at the least if I run into anything i can just wip it out and show them its all legal.
Having problems just having a 10 rounder is ridiculous, let alone having to explain it, sadder still we're still getting fud comments like "if you need more than 5".
I totally agree with keeping some paper around to help explain to the nice officer though,a necessary evil I guess.
My thanks to those who are breaking ground for us.
I totally agree with keeping some paper around to help explain to the nice officer though,a necessary evil I guess.
My thanks to those who are breaking ground for us.
epic....no wonder the fire arms community is in the situation it is...
Meaning?
I agree with screw tape. These laws were written by lawyers for lawyers as per the direction given by people that don't really know much about firearms. Don't bag on the C.O. or police, they are usually as confused about the gun regs as the rest of us. Make your life simpler and use a know legal mag out in the field.
It is not worth the hassle just to prove your point. Take it up with Ottawa where the lunacy began......
It is not worth the hassle just to prove your point. Take it up with Ottawa where the lunacy began......
Meaning that people that refuse to do something that is legal for fear that some guy at some point might think it is prohibited. Or go above and beyond storage laws or try to hide their guns from the public and all that other nonsense.
Are the reason that a lot of law enforcement think that every gun must be trigger locked, double locked or in a case. Or that no center fire can have a mag that holds more than 5 rounds.
And the worst ones are the ones that say stuff like if you want to use a 10 round mag for hunting you should not be allowed to hunt.
I guess you should not be allowed to hunt either because your m305 holds 5 rounds. You should only need one right? You should learn to shoot it sounds like. We should ban all magazine feed firearms because no one "needs" more than one round right?
You sound an awfully lot like an anti. It has nothing to do with "need". If it was legal and I wanted to I should be able to hunt with a 100 round drum. Because I "want" too, that is what freedom is.
Shawn
fixed it for ya. and to anyone worried about being found on the wrong side of the law with 10 rders, just do some bump fire mag dumps in the bush during hunting season. then theres no proving this or argueing that.
um, they are known legal mags. the RCMP even mentions the LAR mag's as being legal. They also go on to talk about using pistol mags in rifles being legal. the LAR mags clearly state what what are are on the side. And i do ALL my shooting out in the field, I dont need a shooting range.
ok, fair enough..you dont believe in using a legal mag' to go on a legal hunt?
...we all like a fight, so if proving that its in writting and well known that the mags are legal isnt somthing YOU would do.......
What WILL you fight for? You said your old enough to pickém...what did you do when C68 came around lol.
to be fair, when i first found this out I thought "wait, this cant be right" so i looked into it.
I would think that its every firearm's owners duty to look into the laws regarding there sport, hobby, life style and educate the un informed. Hiding with ones head in the sad does nothing to wright the wrongs that have been done.
Stand for somthing...or fall for everything
I would think that its every firearm's owners duty to look into the laws regarding there sport, hobby, life style and educate the un informed. Hiding with ones head in the sad does nothing to wright the wrongs that have been done.
Stand for somthing...or fall for everything
thanks, I'll have to watch that movie again tonight, dont wanna screw up and more quotes lol.
every time i read the coments here, it worrys me...seams like the general idea of some is that we need single shot rifles for hunting and anything new stays at home and on the range.
Matt308, if it legal great. What I am saying is that when you have spent a sizeable amount of time and money to go on a hunting trip etc, I wouldn't want it ruined over some misinterpretation of a magazines legallity just for the sake of being able to carry an extra 5 rounds in a mag.
We should all exercise our rights of course but sometimes there is a place for such battles....
We should all exercise our rights of course but sometimes there is a place for such battles....
When I was a young and enthusiastic articling student, one of the very first things my principal, the senior partner in our firm, told me was "Don't ever be the test case".
He then expounded on this point in detail. The gist was that if I personally wanted to prove some point of principle for my fellow citizens by offering myself up as the sacrificial test case, I could do so with his sincere blessings and possibly even a wee bit of admiration. But, when I gave legal advice to the firm's clients about how best to conduct their business and personal affairs - and in particular when offering that advice to the firm's well-established long-term clients - if he ever found out that I had failed to do everything humanly possible to prevent one of them from becoming a test case, I would find my flayed skin nailed to the bulletin board in the staff lounge as a dreadful warning to all future lawyers in the firm. And that went double for being a test case on a criminal law issue, and triple for anything to do with constitutional law.
Basically, being a test case is incredibly expensive in time, energy, money and, for individuals, health (facing a criminal charge is very stressful). And the personal benefits gained by that individual rarely equal the resources spent.
I had a chance to see this in action that year. One of our clients was a major supermarket chain that decided to challenge the province's Sunday closing law on the grounds that requiring stores to be closed one day a week to give employees regular time off violated the supermarket chain's freedom of religion. It therefore kept some of its stores open on Sunday, got charged, and proceeded to fight a Charter challenge to the Supreme Court.
In the long run, the ability to keep its stores open 24/7 if it wanted probably justified the cost of the test case to the supermarket chain. In the short run, though, I think it paid us about a quarter million dollars in legal fees (in 1980s dollars at 1980s hourly rates) to defend its "religious freedom". That's a lot of time and money to invest with no actual guarantee of success going into court.
So if you "want" to be a test case for firearms rights, knock yourself out with my blessing. I or any one of hundreds of lawyers like me will be delighted to help you spend a day or two in court arguing that the generic-looking metal box in your semi-auto rifle is not an illegal rifle magazine but a legal pistol/bolt-action rifle magazine - for a minimum of $400/hr plus expenses. Hey, it'll pay for my new toys even if you can't afford any more for awhile after that.
Or, if you do want to put a 10-rd magazine in your centrefire semi-auto rifle but without being a test case, you can just avoid the whole problem by accepting my previous freely offered suggestion and making absolutely sure that your pistol/bolt-action rifle magazine is very clearly stamped as such before you shove it into your XCR or M305.
If the LAR magazines are very clearly marked as being for a LAR, and you have documentation available to carry with you that will make it clear to the stupidest schmuck that the LAR is a pistol and therefore the magazine is legal, then great: that covers my point nicely. Meanwhile, though, I find a plain-Jane 5-rounder in my own M305 adequate for my own needs and that's what will continue to be used in it: I don't need to put a LAR magazine in it just to try to pick a fight.
Suit yourself; I don't care.
