No, 4 Mk.1T --1960s prices

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Complete with wood carrying case and scope tin. Excellent bores, matching scope and rifle numbers, and a cheekpiece. Ammo is $5.50 for 96 rounds.

It looks like M1 Garands are now about 15 - 20 times the 1960 price, 1903 Springfields are 30 - 40 times the price, but the No.4 Sniper rig is going for 100 times the 1960 price of them.
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*sigh...

I know wages were probably in line with prices of the day but it still looks like a fairy tale from where I'm sitting...
 
My week's pay in 1960 was about $50.

looks like the rifle has just kept up to inflation.

Yeah, I was making $50 a week then too, but I sure am not getting $3000 a week or even $3000 a month right now. Would you mind phoning Service Canada for me and letting them know that my Canada Pension and OAS has not kept up with inflation? Laugh2

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@sail32:

Don't forget that that unionised bus driver's $3.65 an hour was almost TRIPLE the BC minimum wage ($1.25), which was the highest Minimum Wage in Canada at that time. The guys in the mill just down at the corner from my place here were humping about with 112-pound bags of flour for Nikita for 50 cents an hour....... and it was WORSE in Saskatchewan.

At 50 cents an hour, your weekly wage packet was $22 gross for your 44-hour work week. Forty-hour week had not come in yet. From that, you paid Federal Income Tax, Provincial Income Tax, Workmen's Compensation and half the cost of your Unemployment Insurance stamps. Health care was provincial and it was separate and you paid your own, quarterly.

You really didn't have a helluvva lot left for gun-collecting.

Better part was that you could get a hamburger made with Real Meat (Pink Slime had not been invented, thank Gawd) with French fries, gravy and coleslaw for 40 cents and there was enough on the plate that you had trouble finishing it. Fifteen-ounce steak dinner was $2.25 plus 10 cents for coffee. It was a good steak, too: we paid more for our steaks, wholesale, than you would pay retail in the stores, but we got the pick of the meat; Len Diller at Canada Grocers saw to that. I still have a menu from our restaurant (closed in late 1963), so the prices are accurate.

There WAS good money to be made: $1.75 an hour on the service rigs with S&A (Sid and Art Rockall, both wonderful wild-men) or even $2.25 punching hole with Commonwealth under Cec Russell, the hardest (and best) toolpush in the Patch. Problem was that with wages like those, competition for jobs was ferocious. The work was horrific by modern standards: no power tongs, no power slips, just nuthin' to make the work any easier.... and you might be running casing (7-inch) at a joint a MINUTE, running the rig 2 men short, everything covered in drilling mud, f*ckstick so slippery you could hardly use it at all, pulling the 220-pound slips by hand and spinning the stuff in off the cat-head, chains flying all OVER the place: lose your tin hat twice out of 3 joints..... don't have it and you lose the top half of your head. They EARNED that $2.25 an hour and a LOT of men were injured, some killed. And then there was H2S, which they were just learning about.

A 500-barrel oil storage tank, 16 feet diameter, 16 feet high, floored and roofed, watertight and oiltight, with pipe-in and pipe-out fittings, catwalk and steps, was assembled by 7 men from curved steel sections, nuts, bolts and tank-rubber, in an afternoon, with time at the end for a beer. Took 4 truckloads of curved, galvanised steel sections. No power tools, either: every single 1-inch square nut and bolt done tight by HAND. Freddie Hutton and Freddie Hellyer (H&H Oilfield Servicing) used to do that with the big old BS&B (Black, Sivalls and Bryson) tanks; there are STILL a few of those standing and being used.

A LOT of HARD work. I would write a book about it except that everyone would say that I was lying.

Gun collecting, back then, was NOT for the timid.

PRICES were sure nice, though!
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Two Things About the Good Old Days

I was not alive in 1960. But it seems to me that the good old days had two definite advantages

1. Guns like this seem to have been readily available. Today, they not only cost a fortune, but they are also hard to find.

2. People in 1960 knew they could keep their guns. The notion that the Government would outlaw guns, declare you a criminal, and then confiscate your property must have been alien to popular thought.

The last point, in particular, says a lot about the old Canada. It was free.

With the memory of Nazi Germany still fresh, the idea that our government would embrace the ways of Hitler must have seemed preposterous in 1960. Now, it is not a question of if, but when, the cops come knocking at your door. Canada traded freedom for security. Today we have neither.
 
@ALFREDS:

You do make an excellent point there. Pearson, with Trudeau as his Justice Minister, still was in the future.

The mass media, ever Liberal, was cursing the ground that The Chief walked upon, concealing at the same time the slithery previous career of Pearson and the Commie antics of so very many of his associates. Came the elections, one after another, the people were blind-sided by a prejudiced and heavily-weighted media...... including the dear old CBC, which still had some authority.

Canada changed, in a few short years, from showing "deference to authority" - long a Canadian trait - to being plain bloody scared sh*tless of what the Government might do to us next. But a series of OUTS had been written into that Commie Constipation of Trudeau's and so the efforts ever since have been to prove that I am more handicapped-disabled-disadvantaged-downtrodden-special-unique-ethnic-cultural than you are and so I deserve Special Treatment and YOU get to pay for it. We have gone all the way from a free society to one in which The Government TELLS you what will be tolerated... as it maintains as close a monopoly as it can upon lethal force and the use thereof.

Fortunately, we have, after nearly half a century of Liberalism in one form or another, a Government which wants to turn the clock back a bit. We have to give Harper all the help we are able.

With luck, we might be able to tie things up in enough knots that it will take the NEXT Socialist Government a very long time to untie before they can start doing more damage.

Nanny State is not all that different from Uncle Joe or Uncle Adolf. Only the emphasis is different; the goals (total power in the hands of a very few, maintained in the face of a powerless majority) remain the same.

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No one would care much for these old bolt actions if Class 12 prohib are non restrict, legal & available by the container load.
 
sf:

Sorry to say but you are dead wrong on that. I am papered for everything except working FAs and I have everything except a working FA but, if you know what you are doing, those are ALL ancillary to the real emphasis: infantry rifles.

The military rifle - the standard weapon of the enlisted soldier - was where the original emphasis took place in firearms evolution, beginning in the middle 1850s and continuing through at breakneck speed until the late 1890s. It was the drive to build a better RIFLE which spurred the tremendous evolution in manufacturing, machine-tools, metallurgy, design...... even the entire concept of machine-made, fully-interchangeable weapons (which occurred first at Enfield under Sir Joseph Whitworth) which made POSSIBLE all those other advances.

First automatic gun was built by Hiram Maxim in 1883/4, improved and improved and only got its first adoption when it made it into a FINISHED form in 1891. First really PRACTICAL automatic pistol was the Mauser in 1895, although the unwieldy Borchardt had been in production for 2 years and wasn't selling very well. First modern assault rifle appeared in 1942 and it was a sorry mess of stamped sheet-metal, plywood and a few machined parts: made entirely by techniques which had been developed and improved over the previous three-quarters of a century.

The modern stuff is fun if you have an inexhaustible ammunition budget, but the ROOTS of the progress which made them possible stretch back into the 1850s and still are as important as ever and they always will be. You construct a building from the basement UP, not from the roof DOWN.

The BASEMENT in smallarms design/manufacture is in those old designs because they proved what is practical...... and what looks very nice but doesn't work. The roots of the BAR are in James Watt's steam engine and in the 1885 Mannlicher. The roots of the AK are in the Lewis and the roots of the Lewis are in the 1889 Schmitt, the roots of the French 75 are in the Werndl..... and the roots of the MKb42H are, to an extent, in the Lee Rifle of 1879.

They will always remain important because they are the FOUNDATION.

And WE have them..... because the Governments have thrown them all away.
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Great investments!!! Around 1980 bought Ex cond.
Brit 4T $400. C#7 .22 $70.Braz Mauser $60. Lithgow $60. SADagger $200,SS $450.
1980-Present multiplication factor x4 equals
Brit 4T $1600. C#7 .22 $280 Braz Mauser $240. Sa Dagger $800 SS $1800.
4 out of 5 of those items are worth a lot, a whole lot more today than inflation allowed.
Wish I kept them...............Repeat Great investments!
 
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Complete with wood carrying case and scope tin. Excellent bores, matching scope and rifle numbers, and a cheekpiece. Ammo is $5.50 for 96 rounds.

It looks like M1 Garands are now about 15 - 20 times the 1960 price, 1903 Springfields are 30 - 40 times the price, but the No.4 Sniper rig is going for 100 times the 1960 price of them.
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Boy, to have a time machine and to go back and be a millionaire then.

I would corner the market on milsurps and F/A's.:)

And greedily keep them all for myself!:D

Muah! Ha! Ha!:evil:
 
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