Another "which powder" thread

matt491

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Hey guys.
I've been reloading handgun cartridges for a year now with great success. I'm ready to start reloading .223 for my AR. I'm curious what powders everyone uses for basic target shooting. I'm using Hogdon Titegroup for my handgun loads at the moment. I'm assuming I shouldn't use it for .223.

So what's everyone use/like?
 
Hey guys.
I've been reloading handgun cartridges for a year now with great success. I'm ready to start reloading .223 for my AR. I'm curious what powders everyone uses for basic target shooting. I'm using Hogdon Titegroup for my handgun loads at the moment. I'm assuming I shouldn't use it for .223.

So what's everyone use/like?


ummm... ya titegroup would not be a good idea to use in a .223.

hodgdon lists titegroup 3.1grs and 1064fps, this must be a fire forming load

iv been using imr4320 and varget but there is lots of good choices depending on ur bullet weight

CFE-223, BL-C(2), H355, Benchmark

just get a loading book and pick one you like and work up a load
 
Thanks for the input, everyone.

Hodgdon is readily available to me locally. I'm looking at the H322 or the Varget.

Problem is as I read on the hodgdon website about their rifle powders, every single one says, "Perfect for .223"
 
Varget or H4895 are very easy to hit the sweet spot with... I think the edge go's to H4895 in temp stability but haven't shot Varget at -40 yet.

WC735 from Higgs is a bargain BUT it's not really a great powder for precision... But it is a ball powder so it meters extremely well thru most powder throwers...
 
I'd buy an 8lb of Varget if I were you and call it a day. It's an excellent powder and gives me the best groups in my .22-250 and my .270. It's one of those rifle powders that you can use for almost everything. It is listed as a temp stabilized powder on the Hogdon website and I've never had issues in the cold, I take my .22-250 out for preds all the time.
 
I'll give the varget a try. If I don't like it, I'll try something else next time. Thanks so much, everyone. Now I just need to find a good place to buy bulk (1000+) bullets from... I usually buy from custom reloading but they don't have any .223 bullets listed on their site.
 
I'll give the varget a try. If I don't like it, I'll try something else next time. Thanks so much, everyone. Now I just need to find a good place to buy bulk (1000+) bullets from... I usually buy from custom reloading but they don't have any .223 bullets listed on their site.

Good, because you actually want .224 (don't ask)...
 
Matt,

depending on what your shooting for barrel twist etc, you may want to consider budget shooter supply. He has 1000 55 grain projectiles for 120 free shipping anywhere in canada. Its about the best deal going. If you want heavier bullets than that, it won't work for you obviously, but just for plinking its good. My ar has a 1 in 7, 14.5" barrel and oddly enough it loves these bullets. I was at the range today dropping shots on top of each other with them. I also use Varget...its hot but works very well.
 
budget shooter supply is closed until September... Frustrating as that is a smoking deal.

And to the person who said I need .224 and not .223 bullets and don't ask why, I'm asking why? I like to learn as much as I can about reloading, can someone explain this to me, please?
 
And to the person who said I need .224 and not .223 bullets and don't ask why, I'm asking why? I like to learn as much as I can about reloading, can someone explain this to me, please?

Simple really. .223 is the caliber. Caliber is the approximate internal diameter of the barrel.

.224 is the diameter of the actual projectile. The reason the .224 is one thousandths of an inch larger than the internal diameter of the barrel is because the projectile will be able to grab (or grip) the rifling better as it's slightly larger than the barrel and because it will serve as a plug to keep the gasses from escaping past it instead of continuing to expand and accelerate it down the barrel. This is usually (but not always the case) with all projectiles (ex: the "30" caliber round is really .308, the british .303 can be .310 to .312, the .45 ACP is .451, the .270 is really .277 the 45-70 is .458. The exceptions are like the .44 magnum really being .430, not .440)

In some instances, you may actually need to "slug" your barrel, which is to say create a lead cast/mold in order measure the actual groove diameter of the bore so that you can properly size cast lead bullets that they will fully seal the bore when fired. Diameters can vary quite a bit, and "slugging" can sometimes be useful in selecting jacketed bullets for a particular barrel as well. This is usually the case with old/heavily shot barrels, although not always.

This doesn't apply to our ARs, but because you said you're interested in learning, I gave a long-ish answer, slightly off topic.

As for powders, I use Winchester 748, only because I shoot my AR quite often and prefer it's lower flame temperature (which supposedly prolongs barrel life). I also prefer not beating up the gun and cases, and W748 is rated at the lower end of the pressure chart.

However, H4895, IMR 4895 and Varget are all very good, and I've used them all. My most accurate load uses IMR XBR 8208, but that's my rifle. Yours may like a different diet.
 
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Simple really. .223 is the caliber. Caliber is the approximate internal diameter of the barrel.

.224 is the diameter of the actual projectile. The reason the .224 is one thousandths of an inch larger than the internal diameter of the barrel is because the projectile will be able to grab (or grip) the rifling better as it's slightly larger than the barrel and because it will serve as a plug to keep the gasses from escaping past it instead of continuing to expand and accelerate it down the barrel.

As for powders, I use Winchester 748, only because I shoot my AR quite often and prefer it's lower flame temperature (which supposedly prolongs barrel life). I also prefer not beating up the gun and cases, and W748 is rated at the lower end of the pressure chart.

However, H4895, IMR 4895 and Varget are all very good, and I've used them all. My most accurate load uses IMR XBR 8208, but that's my rifle. Yours may like a different diet.

That's it in a nutshell yep. My .270 takes .277" bullets. .303 ain't .303 either...
 
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