Mosin Original WW2 Dated Matching Sniper Rifles for SALE!

sledge said:
Well it appears the $600 Mosin sniper deal is likely the sum of it's parts.

What is an original scope and mount worth btw????

I wish the Russian exporters did not stamp the scope serial numbers on the receivers. Why? Because now with all these in the market who will ever be able to tell an authentic one from this new batch.

It will be impossible to ever prove an original is actually legit, and will likewise ensure prices for Mosin snipers stay soft. Another sniper rifle that suffers from soft prices due to all the put togethers and fakes is the M1-D.

If mine does not shoot like a sniper it will be on the EE. I don't collect scopes. :(

From Russia With Love...nyet!
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depending of condition, a PU scope sell for $200-$400 and the SVT model about $450-$500. At thoses price, many came in a PU mount. When i bought my SVT scope for my Tokarev, scope came in a PU mount but the scope turret still have the SVT calibration.
Joce
 
Things still sound promising. I bought a repro sniper from P&S a few years ago for about $650-700. It looks great and I am still very happy with how it looks (I have never shot it). I really have never complained about the price either as other PU repros sold at the time of purchase for $800+ and those other rifles were not as nice as the rifles from P&S.
I ordered 3 of these new imports:
1. One with PU Scope; and
2. Two with SVT scopes.
I was hoping that at least one if not both of those SVT scopes would NOT have the CB recalibration mark. Why? Because I hope to complete my SVT snipers. Original SVT arsenal refurb'd scopes cost about $500 and you have to buy from Eastern Europe and deal with customs etc. So for $150 more, I get my scope and what has been represented as an original mount and a refurb's original sniper. If my SVT scopes do have the CB calibration I will be happy to trade with someone whose scope does not have that calibration.
The PU rifle with the standard 91/30 scope I will leave as is - a refurb'd sniper rifle, completed with what has been represented as original parts. I still have not seen anything to convince me that these parts are not original WWII production. These rifles are selling for the sum of parts. The are advertised as refurbished/forced matched.
Now if someone has the hard evidence that the parts are fake, I think we have a beef.
But from pictures and information provided, I don't think we can complain.
 
A word for word translation of the booklet would be nice. Btw the rguns sniper of the era vic reviewed were from a different batch. I imported a 1944 tula & it was as unissued. I wish I had better pics of that thing.
 
I just saw pictures on the net and that is when i told you guys the story. If I told you before I saw those and it was real snipers I would be claimed as a "a dealer that wants to sell his repro " or something else. Now that I saw what is that I told you.
Real sniper scopes are still there in Russia not Ukraine. Ukraine has sold all of the real once long time ago.
That is it I am out. I have said to much already.

Al
 
I made several Inquiries and had people look into the booklet. Final verdict is the Snipers are original Post WW2 refurbs, but the Booklet of Instruction is a fake. Printed to get around export regulations, text describes the rifles as hunting guns. Here is the opinion of North America's best known Authority on 20th Century Russian and Finnish rifles with over 25 to 30 years of collecting experience and a long time friend of mine.

"The booklets are from Molot and commercially done to meet EU transport requirements that no military items be transported- thus huntng rifles. They were refurbsihed and its not surprising to have these anomalies."
 
Thanks!

JP said:
I made several Inquiries and had people look into the booklet. Final verdict is the Snipers are original Post WW2 refurbs, but the Booklet of Instruction is a fake. Printed to get around export regulations, text describes the rifles as hunting guns. Here is the opinion of North America's best known Authority on 20th Century Russian and Finnish rifles with over 25 to 30 years of collecting experience and a long time friend of mine.

"The booklets are from Molot and commercially done to meet EU transport requirements that no military items be transported- thus huntng rifles. They were refurbsihed and its not surprising to have these anomalies."
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Thanks a lot ( sincerely) I read this somewhere too. . this discussion is better than soap opera:popCorn:
 
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"I know something you don't know, but I'm not telling..." Come on westrifle, this sounds like my seven year old daughter. It looks like you want to slander someone elses product without having anything real to back it up. As for the people selling these things, if you sell them as "original", than you had better know their origin and we'd all love to hear more details. JP shouldn't have to be the only one defending these, we need to hear from the other sellers who should be backing their product. Until we get more answers, it doesn't look good for anybody.
 
The rifles are nice, the scope installation is excellent, the scopes are real. The rifles appear to be real sniper rifles. The sum of the value of the component parts is at or above the selling price.

Whoever built and/or refurbed these rifles did their utmost to deliver solid value.

No refurb is going to be the same as picking an issued rifle off the battlefield of WWII. They can only provide what they can lay their hands on.

Good deal all around.

I have one on the way and looking forward to it very much. :)

I paid more than $900 for one of the repro rifles a few years ago...this is a much better deal.


Now if someone has the hard evidence that the parts are fake, I think we have a beef.
But from pictures and information provided, I don't think we can complain.
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To be fair to Westrifle...he does not have a pony in this race. He is not selling these rifles, but many other dealers are. Why should he have to defend himself, for what reason? Let's be fair here.

He only responded when someone posted pictures of the rifle received including the instruction booklet.

If anyone is not happy, direct it to those who are selling the rifles!


Remembering said:
"I know something you don't know, but I'm not telling..." Come on westrifle, this sounds like my seven year old daughter. It looks like you want to slander someone elses product without having anything real to back it up. As for the people selling these things, if you sell them as "original", than you had better know their origin and we'd all love to hear more details. JP shouldn't have to be the only one defending these, we need to hear from the other sellers who should be backing their product. Until we get more answers, it doesn't look good for anybody.
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Well all this bs aside, I am getting one. Btw one detail most people miss when they do the repro thing is resight the rifle's so it shoots to point of aim with the bayo off. Sometimes the front sight is marked as well.
 
This whole thread is hilarious with it's high and low "Roller Coaster" moments!

I got Vasily Zaitsez's Sniper Rifle!, I got ripped off and feel had!, I'm parting it out!, If it don't shoot worth a s**t I'm selling it! All I got was sum of the parts! My rifle was at Stalingrad and Berlin! I got buyers remorse!

Keep up the Entertainment Value Boyz!
 
I think I'm being very fair. I've used Westrifle and am very pleased with their products and service but I don't like to be told that there are issues or dishonesty with these guns and then not say what it is. That doesn't seem fair to me.
 
Coyote Ugly said:
This whole thread is hilarious with it's high and low "Roller Coaster" moments!

I got Vasily Zaitsez's Sniper Rifle!, I got ripped off and feel had!, I'm parting it out!, If it don't shoot worth a s**t I'm selling it! All I got was sum of the parts! My rifle was at Stalingrad and Berlin! I got buyers remorse!

Keep up the Entertainment Value Boyz!
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Hey without the hyperbole, it wouldn't be any fun!
 
cantom said:
To be fair to Westrifle...he does not have a pony in this race. He is not selling these rifles, but many other dealers are. Why should he have to defend himself, for what reason? Let's be fair here.

He only responded when someone posted pictures of the rifle received including the instruction booklet.

If anyone is not happy, direct it to those who are selling the rifles!
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To be fair to everyone else as well, Westrifle DOES have a pony in this race. These rifles are a direct competition to the rifles he is selling, and for a very similar price point. So one can only be a bit suspicious when we have numerous experts in Canada and the US saying that these rifles, scopes and mounts are all original parts, but have been refurbished, reassembled and put together and forced matching, as is typical of almost all of the refurbed rifles we've seen (Mosin-Nagants, SVT-40's and SKS' alike) in the last decade. What has not been made clear is when this refurbing and reassembling was done.

HOWEVER.... Westrifle makes comments such as;

I don't really care about those fakes.
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And;

I knew that those were fake and this is why I did not buy them in Ukraine.
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And;

If they went through trouble of creating scopes how hard do you think it is to put numbers on the side of barrel.
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So, in other words, we have two stories being told. One story by a large number of people far more knowledgeable about Russian firearms than I, that say these have original parts, but were put together at some point. Suspected dates when that was done vary greatly, but most that I've seen or heard say likely during the 60's, into the 70's.

And then we have Westrifle, and only Westrifle, saying that the rifles are basically a fancier version of what he's selling, being non-sniper rifles, with brand new made scopes and mounts, that have been forged to LOOK like old refurbed snipers.
 
It does seem a little odd that the only competition in town is the ony guy saying these are fake. I did talk to the dealer that imported a lot of these rifles and was told they are 100% real.
 
But what were the dealers told ?

From what I got, these are rifles, either ex snipers or regular high walls, mated with original scopes in early 2012 and exported to Canada and the U.S. Worth the sum of their parts ? Sure but they will be new sniper clones and not "WW2 Originals" as claimed. With this, I can see where Westrifle is coming from. Since they have been to the factory in Ukraine and seen these snipers made, I trust their judgement.

Isn't it striking that the one dealer who specializes in Soviet milsurps and equipment is the one not carrying these ?
 
Thank you for making these points Nabs! The people being critical should consider them carefully.


Nabs said:
But what were the dealers told ?

From what I got, these are rifles, either ex snipers or regular high walls, mated with original scopes in early 2012 and exported to Canada and the U.S. Worth the sum of their parts ? Sure but they will be new sniper clones and not "WW2 Originals" as claimed. With this, I can see where Westrifle is coming from. Since they have been to the factory in Ukraine and seen these snipers made, I trust their judgement.

Isn't it striking that the one dealer who specializes in Soviet milsurps and equipment is the one not carrying these ?
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