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I'm looking to buy a used leupold mark 4 m1 6.5-20x 50mm lrt.

Anyone can tell me how leupold deal with garantees when your not the original buyer?

Also, anyone owns this scope, would you buy the same scope if it was stolen from you ?

Thanks
JP
 
I'm looking to buy a used leupold mark 4 m1 6.5-20x 50mm lrt.

Anyone can tell me how leupold deal with garantees when your not the original buyer?

Also, anyone owns this scope, would you buy the same scope if it was stolen from you ?

Thanks
JP

Not sure on the warranty question, it seems that the Leupold folks will warrant almost anything with their name on it though.

I own 2 of the Mk4 6.5x20x50 LRT scopes and they are decent scopes. If stolen I would replace them with 5.5x22 Nightforces though.
In fact if Leupold had not engraved my name onto the objective I would have sold them long ago and replaced them with Nightforce scopes.

I am not a big fan of Milradian reticles and MOA turrets in the same scope.
I understand that this has changed recently and that you can get 1/10 mil turrtes, now if only they would get with the 80s and offer MOA reticles and turrets:cool:
 
From what I've read Leupold scopes will only be warrantied if they are bought here in Canada. Ive also heard they don't warranty the scopes purchased at Bass Pro. I could be wrong but for the same $$ spent I'd buy a Nightforce.
 
I had the same scope you are asking about. It was a great scope in general, the glass was good, I really liked the turret adjustments, they were crisp and not mushy. The reason I sold mine was because I had it on a longrange hunting/target/do-it-all rig and couldn't find a nice 4X4 whiletail in front of me at 40 yards in the bush on 6.5 power.

I have to argee with Rick on the mil/mil moa/moa turrets thing. My personal favorite scope right now is either the USO or the Premier Reticles depending on the application. The Nightforce would probably be the best bang for your buck though.
Ivo
 
I had the mark 4-4.5x14x50. Here is my take on the product. Awesome. Some don't like the mil/moa combo but i'm not really going to into that whole discussion. Just learn the gear you run. At the end of the day, just use your ballistic calculator. The first day i had mine, it was set up on a 700 5r and on the top of my truck awaiting a long range session.My friend slammed shut the back hatch, down goes mark 4 and 700 right to the ground and landed directly on the top turret. Did a quick 100 yard zero check and it was spot on and dialed it up for 797 yards as per range finder and it it was bang on. Rugged.

Now for the differences why i bought a NF after.

In my opinion the glass clarity is the same. I have perfect eye sight as per army stats and i give the glass edge to leupold. The contrast favors the warmer color spectrum in the mark 4. The NF has a dim contrast and can lose colors at longer ranges. Example. Yellow balloons on a white backing on a sunny day blend with my NF, with the mark 4 i could make them out on the same magnification.I prefer the warmer color spectrum of the mark 4's. I like the overall features of a NF, etched glass, MOA/MOA which is a nice feature but isn't a big thing for me as i can calculate with mil/moa without a problem. The paralax knob on the NF is much better. If your getting a paralax issue all you have to do is dial to where it is none existent. With the Mark 4, you have to dial all the way to infinity and back to make your paralax adjustments. Basically a full sweep of the knob then find the correction. Can get annoying when barrel heat and mirage start lurking in your scope. Remedy for that is a mirage band and lower the magnification. I switched to the NF NXS cause of the larger objective and the 1/8 increments on the turrets. Overall features of the NF NXS are nicer but i really like the contrast of the glass on the mark 4 much, much better. Without a doubt, i would buy a mark 4 again.
I do believe the overall construction goes to NF just because of the etched glass reticle as opposed to the wire reticle for the mark 4. People slag on leupold a bit saying they aren't this and aren't that. Maybe leupold are a bit behind the times of what the tacticool community needs for the weekend warrior sessions, hahaha, but i am not going to get into that here. I think they are great scopes for the majority of what people use scopes for.... from the safe, to the car, to the range, maybe to the bush and back to the safe... and not the self proclaimed overnight internet forum combat shooting they think they are gonna get into...hahaha.
If your getting a mark 4, I would suggest only buying the TMR reticle...to me, this is the best reticle out there hands down. That's just my take. My next rifle will probably include a mark 4 or a nf nxs. Good enough for my weekend warrior combat....i mean paper punching sessions.hahahaha

If NF is the way you chose, then you have some options. I bought the 8x32-56 np-r1 only because i wanted the 1/8 turrets. Nice for fine tuning but a pain when you tracking fast and at different ranges.Alot a clicking going on. The NP-R1 is best reticle in my opinion for the NF line. I found in the early days of the NF turrets that if you cranked on them fast that they would skip a few. Hasn't happened since but i now turn the turrets at a moderate speed just in case. The mark 4 turrets never ever skipped once. If only NF had the TMR from Leupold....
The other model i would consider is the 5.5x22-56. I did a back to back glass test between these 2 scopes. The clarity is no different at the top end of the magnification. I have to say both models still get the dull blue syndrome around the edges. The dullness comes at the last power on the 5.5x and the dullness starts in between 26-28 power on the 8x model. This test was done in low light conditions. You might ask why would i get the 5.5x model instead of the 8x model. Simple. I like lower magnification. The 5.5 power is nice to have when you play Johnny Lee Swager and try to hit bottles standing in a canoe at 200m. The minimum 8x is a little too much sometimes but manageable. The 32x power is nice to have when the light is low or overcast which is good on the westcoast but yet do i have to use all of it even on a slightly sunny day. You'll get 100 moa with the 5.5x model and 65 moa with the 8x model. All in all, any decision from NF is good. Just decide on one you like. I still wouldn't rule the mark 4 model out though. Take a look through both at your range and base it off that. My suggestion is if your new to scopes like this then get a matching turret to reticle model. My other suggestion is learn the mil/moa so you can be a stud.

On a side note ...i bought the NF NXS from Alberta Tactical Rifle..those are good people to deal with.
 
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I've got a couple 6.5-20s with Mildots. If they were stolen tomorrow I'd replace them with TMR reticles which are half mills at full power. Full mills at 10 X if you care about such things.

A second focal plane scope changes the apparent size of the target while leaveing the reticle unchanged. Without boreing everyone with the math, reduceing the power by a .86 factor will convert 1 mil to 4 MOA. Well whoop-de-####, a mil-dot scope had a 4 MOA reticle the whole time. Who knew?

Double whoop-de-####, a 4 MOA reticle is next to useless for anything I do.:( A TMR though, that converts to 2 MOA by dropping the power of a 8-25 power to 21.5 and the power of a 6.5-20 power to 17 1/4 X. A 2 MOA spaceing is quite useful.

Trouble is, the power ring doesn't have a 21.5 or a 17.25 marker, and power rateing are nominal at best. I know from measureing subtension that lineing up the left edge of the "2" in the "20" marker of my 8.5-25 Mark 4s will give a perfectly functional 2 MOA reticle. I never bothered figureing out the position for the 6.5-20, refer to 4 MOA whoop-de-#### comment for the reason.
 
Okay? But the reticle is a TMR in mils but the turrets are M1 in MOA. I'm thinking it would be a good buy if i could change the turrets to mil turrets(M5).

Can it be done?
JP
 
They already offer the mark 4 series with the M5 turrets but the scope is in the first focal plane. How much ranging are you going to be doing with the scope is the question you need to ask yourself. How much holdover shots are you going to be doing is another question you need to ask yourself. Is your spotter going to be running a spotting scope with a TMR reticle to call you holdovers on the fly? Alot of stuff to really consider. The end question is what kind of shooting are you going to really be doing. Most of those questions i mentioned are a 2 man role. You can do the ranging by yourself and the calculations but the holdover on the fly is a 2 man job. There are some easy reads on the web on how to learn the mil radian system and converting it to MOA. A good sight is mil-dot.com. It can help you understand the mil dot system a little better and give you a better understanding what you need in a scope. If you can get the mark 4 for 900 bucks then that is a good buy and like i said you will eventually learn how to use the mil/moa system. I do believe leupold offers a retro fit as i was going to buy the FFP with M5 turrets in the 4.5-14x50 model. I settled with M1 and SFP version and it did me just fine. Again, if your into target shooting the M1 turrets work out to 0.25 inches at 100 yards and the the M5 turrets are 0.1 mil which works out to 0.36 inches at a 100 yards.You'll be fine with the M1 and once you figure how to use the scope. My 2 cents for what it is worth.
 
I believe all current Mark 4 reticles are etched glass. Phil.

To confirm that you would need the serial number and then contact leupold. I know the current AR series,HAMR, and prismatic have the etched glass but more than likely the mark 4 scopes circulating in the used department will be wire reticle. I bought mine brand new 3 years ago and it was a wire reticle Hopefully somebody can confirm this but i still think the mark 4 series are wire reticles.
 
Serial ends with V so its a 2011, maybe its etched.

Ended up buying the Mark 4 for 900$, think i made a great deal. Not sure how much they cost in CAN but i've seen them in the US for 1,299$

JP
 
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