norma powder
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Norma powder is hard enough to find stateside.
I haven't seen a single can of it on the shelves of Canadian stores when shopping in person or on line.
Now that I think of it Accurate Arms powder is kinda scarce "north of 49" too.
I don't see any actual pictures of products advertised on the Friesen website at all.
He wants the visitor to email him with phone number and address for prices for unspecified products.
Smells like a spammers "fly paper" trap for email addresses and personal information to me.
No thanks.
Not sure if this is helpful or not but several knowledgeable people say that N204 and RL19 are the exact same powder. Same factory, same powder, different bottle.
This may or may not help you but RL19 is alot easer to get than N204.
A printed reference from very knowledgeable people can be found here.
Here is one print reference: The A-Square Handloading and Rifle Manual ISBN:0-9643683-1-5 ©1996 Pages 274-275.
"For our European and African friends, who may have difficulty locating the various powders, there is an authorized substitution. Reloader-22 is exactly the thing as Norma-MRP. Reloader-19 is exactly the same thing as Norma-204. Reloader 15 is exactly the same thing as Norma-203. These powders come from exactly the same plant ans are made at exactly the same time. The powder from that plant is simply shipped to a different place and is put into a different consumer pack."
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Dave Friesen is one of the good guys. Been in shooting sports longer than most of you have been alive. He has Norma.
T.O.gungal's point is valid. The website does look a little "fishy", especially compared with all the modern-and-cool ones with online shopping carts, 128 bit encription, etc.
I've done business with Dave (in person, never online), and he is one of the good ones; but you wouldn't know it from his website.
I like the cool, high-tech sites too; but sometimes a little more effort is worth it.
I've done business with Dave (in person, never online), and he is one of the good ones; but you wouldn't know it from his website.
I like the cool, high-tech sites too; but sometimes a little more effort is worth it.
Trust me on this one.
Not trying to be a know-it-all here, but A-Square's info in this case is in error.
Norma 204 is NOT identical to RL 19, and Norma MRP is NOT identical to RL 22. I have them all, and through experience, I can see a distinct difference in these offerings.
I will not comment on RL 15/N203B, since I have not worked with 203B yet. [I have some, but have not yet opened the tin].
Even when you view the granules of powder through a 20X magnifier, you can see a distinct physical difference.
Identical charges of RL 19 and N204 in any given application always yields more velocity with N204, showing a slightly "faster" burn rate for N204 than for RL 19.
MRP and RL 22 are quite similar in burn rate, but identical charges again show enough variance, depending on application, that I would never use them interchangeably without backing off and working up again.
The difference is more than is seen lot-to-lot in any powder.
Regards, Eagleye.
Not trying to be a know-it-all here, but A-Square's info in this case is in error.
Norma 204 is NOT identical to RL 19, and Norma MRP is NOT identical to RL 22. I have them all, and through experience, I can see a distinct difference in these offerings.
I will not comment on RL 15/N203B, since I have not worked with 203B yet. [I have some, but have not yet opened the tin].
Even when you view the granules of powder through a 20X magnifier, you can see a distinct physical difference.
Identical charges of RL 19 and N204 in any given application always yields more velocity with N204, showing a slightly "faster" burn rate for N204 than for RL 19.
MRP and RL 22 are quite similar in burn rate, but identical charges again show enough variance, depending on application, that I would never use them interchangeably without backing off and working up again.
The difference is more than is seen lot-to-lot in any powder.
Regards, Eagleye.
Just remembered an Alberta supplier that had some Norma powders the last time I talked to him. [ He had URP, 203B, 204 and MRP, IIRC]
That is Dale at Chinchaga Bullets.
He is in Peace River, AB, so you may want to try him as well.
Eagleye.
That is Dale at Chinchaga Bullets.
He is in Peace River, AB, so you may want to try him as well.
Eagleye.
I am not at all trying to start anything, just passing on what people that know way more about all this than I do.
It is my understanding that before Alliant powders were made in Sweden they were not exactly the same but pretty close. Now that Alliant is made in Sweden, they are the same.
Is the powder you are looking at "new" reloader with Made in Sweden on the bottle or "old" stuff?
Just curious
I have used rl22/mrp interchangeably in my 7mm rm a few years ago (was testing temp stability) and noticed virtually no difference between the two (they do both suck in cold weather though).
Cheers
It is my understanding that before Alliant powders were made in Sweden they were not exactly the same but pretty close. Now that Alliant is made in Sweden, they are the same.
Is the powder you are looking at "new" reloader with Made in Sweden on the bottle or "old" stuff?
Just curious
I have used rl22/mrp interchangeably in my 7mm rm a few years ago (was testing temp stability) and noticed virtually no difference between the two (they do both suck in cold weather though).
Cheers
All my Alliant powders, with the exception of several pounds of RL 12 are new stock, made in Sweden. Still show the difference physically. I just re-checked my latest stock...MRP/RL 22. Even the color is slightly different.
MRP is denser than RL 22, MRP does not suck in cold weather, in my experience. AAMOF, through a 40ºC swing, MRP in my 30-06 [61 grains behind a 180 Partition] average velocity only dropped 21 fps.
Regards, Eagleye.
I lost 125fps with rl22 and 115fps with mrp in the 7mm rm with 120gr tsx from +28c to -25c. I no longer use either and stick with hodgdon extreme powders. I have been experimenting eith vvn540 and it's great so far but will have to test in cold weather.
Interesting! I would not consider that drop extreme, there is a 53ºC spread there.
even 125 fps doesn't make a hit/miss hunting situation inside of 450 yards.
I was thinking more about 250-300 fps over that temp swing. [WC760 lot 128 comes to mind]
Even the Hodgdon "Extreme" series of powders are not free from some velocity loss at very low temps.
I do use H4831SC and H1000 a fair bit, but not because they are "Extreme" powders, but because they work in the application I am using them in.
I have and use N540, 550, and 560. They are double-base powders like Alliant and Norma.
N560 works particularly well in my 1000 yard bench rifle, a 260AI.
But everyone has to choose what works best for them.
I am quite pleased with Norma MRP in many applications, and have laid in a good supply.
Regards, Eagleye.
even 125 fps doesn't make a hit/miss hunting situation inside of 450 yards.
I was thinking more about 250-300 fps over that temp swing. [WC760 lot 128 comes to mind]
Even the Hodgdon "Extreme" series of powders are not free from some velocity loss at very low temps.
I do use H4831SC and H1000 a fair bit, but not because they are "Extreme" powders, but because they work in the application I am using them in.
I have and use N540, 550, and 560. They are double-base powders like Alliant and Norma.
N560 works particularly well in my 1000 yard bench rifle, a 260AI.
But everyone has to choose what works best for them.
I am quite pleased with Norma MRP in many applications, and have laid in a good supply.
Regards, Eagleye.
Just picked up some Norma and Accurate from Doug Rayner in Lancer my go to place for hard to find stuff.
www.raynershinegunworks.com or give him a call 306-689-2654
www.raynershinegunworks.com or give him a call 306-689-2654
