Nope, you're not. I really don't care how any tool looks so long as it does its job. That being said, Glocks have clean simple lines, they're all business no bullsh*t. The CZ has lots of dimples, curves, and extrusions. Its ugly.
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More complicated now to choose a 9 mm
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Nope, you're not. I really don't care how any tool looks so long as it does its job. That being said, Glocks have clean simple lines, they're all business no bullsh*t. The CZ has lots of dimples, curves, and extrusions. Its ugly.
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I had launched a thread asking advice between SIG P226 DAK and SIG P250 and thanks to the good info CGNs placed there I crossed off the 250: http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=780663
However, researching more I got, of course, into more options.So:
To explain what I want to use it for: Mainly for IPDA / IPSC games (so, easy to handle, draw, change mags, etc.), but I would like it as accurate as possible for target shooting and reliable (don't we all?). I want it to have the same trigger pull weight for the first and the follow up shot(s), therefore no DA / SA.
- SIG P226 DAK
- H&K P30L LEM V1
- S&W M&P9
- Springfield XDM
- Other options? (I don’t like how Glocks look like.)
I’ll carefully study all advice.Thanks!
When choosing a firearm regardless of caliber, and type. You want to pick a firearm that fits you, you want a firearm that fits your needs, your hand, and basically it has to fit you. You also want a firearm that you can feel relaxed, and comfortable around; in regards of safe handling, and shooting. That being said if you want something that you can use for competition speed shooting for example; you might a firearm thats SAO or Single Action Only, if you're doing something that has a little bit of a defensive scenario scene, you might have to settle for a DA/SA trigger. The best firearm I can think of and the one I recommend the most is the S&W M&P9 Range/Carry Kit it's a DA/SA firearm. $699.99 is the average price, it comes with everything you need to practice.
It comes with the M&P9 Pistol
3 different sized backstraps
3 10 round double stacked magazines
magazine holder
holster
speed reloader
lockable case
cable lock
ear plugs
Shoots just like a Glock but because the hand grip is straighter. When you bring it up to aim down your sights theres minimal wrist play. The only con is that the M&P9 is really light, so you will often find yourself either bringing your firearm up a little too high, or because you know its light, you'll try to compensate and end up not bringing the firearm high enough. It also has a standard 1913 Picatinny Rail for mounting flashlights and lasers.
What I started out with was the Beretta 90-TWo, because it had everything I needed. Light polymer frame, 4.9" steel-crome lined barrel, steel slide, ambi safety/decocker, I was able to swap out the grips for a smaller grip that fit my hand better, beautiful raised 3 dot white sights. AND I can either half #### my hammer and still shoot DA or fully #### my hammer and shoot SA.
Again at the end of the day try to find something that you're comfortable with, you can read all the advice here. But keep in mind the more comfortable you are with your firearm, the more relaxed you'll be when you shoot it. Your grouping will be better, and you'll be a lot happier.
I think I might have one in stock at my store, I have shift on Wednesday, if you like I could check for you.
Yes please.. I'm looking for one in 9mm
I just read your post.
I'm sorry, but your arguments are totally irrational. You need to seriously think hard if this is the right forum for you. If you keep posting like that you are going to have a real tough time here.
Agreed.
By that mentality you should not be involved in firearms at all, to save your bleeding heart.
I agree. Sounds like CristianM has bigger issues than deciding what pistol is for him.
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Thanks. Is there any dealer carrying HK P30 LEM?
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+1 on that. Lots of people try lots of different pistols "because they look cool" or "because their not plastic" and eventually they get a Glock. They shoot great, if you can't work the Glock trigger, you suck.
the glock trigger is a piece of crap... the only good thing is that its good practice for shooting double action revolvers...
why spend so much time learning to shoot a gun that has a trigger no one else has? it honestly throws me off every time, no other rifle/shotgun/pistol, save double action revolvers has such a heavy take up and impossible to time sear/reset/
when plastic guns were new, and not as well built, yeah glock was an option, obviously they have sold plenty, but so have all the other brands you listed. feel free to drink the cool aid though. for the love of god dont buy one without putting some real effort into learning to shoot it first... some people just do not do well with the "double action" style trigger at all, no matter how much they practice
to the OP
I use a M&P, and see a lot of them at matches. my buddy picked one up with the range kit, saved a ton of $ and has a great gun to show for it.
mine has 3k+ rounds now with no issues at all
none of the guns you listed are bad guns though, whatever fits you best fits you best, try before you buy is my advice to you.
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again: learn how to work the trigger. It's easy enough with a Glock.
M&P is probably a good choice, too.
M&P is probably a good choice, too.
Sorry, Kampfhamster is right. If you can't work the trigger on a Glock, your fundamentals suck and you need some professional training. The trigger pull at a mere 5.5lbs is far from "heavy". The only difficulty with Glock triggers is the first shot where you need to take up the slack. Subsequent shots require a mere 1/8th of an inch of trigger travel for the reset. Again, if you're allowing more movement, you suck and need to learn how to shoot, or rather learn to work the reset. Single action guns or DA/SA guns allow sloppy form with regards to reset which is why many believe they're a "better" system. The answer is always the same, learn to shoot. Seeing as how less than 1% of firearms owners will ever seek professional training, the "advantage" of SA or DA/SA trigger systems will continue to flourish amongst the ill informed.
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as much as i like my M&P, looking back i probably would have a got a gen4 glock 17 instead. That said the M&P is still a great gun, ive had over 400 rounds t through mine and only 1 failure due to limp wristing (i wasnt shooting the gun a friend was). however it isnt the most accurate gun
I thought that - then I took it to a PPC course. One of the guys helping out with the course asked to shoot it during a break and promptly dumped ten rounds rapid into the x ring @ 15 yards, handed it back and said "nice gun". Since then, I've learned that, like most pistols, the M&P's (and Glock's and, and, and) are precisely as precise as the guy holding them. If you get the opportunity, go to one of Slavex's "Skills and Drills" nights, they're probably the best deal going in learning experiences. My M&P is more accurate than I am after 25,000 rounds AND professional instruction.
I don't mean to sound like a snob, but 400 rounds isn't worth discussing. Come back when you have 4000 rounds through it. Enefgee is right on the money(below) in that any gun is as accurate as the person running it.
I find that hard to believe, seeing as how Glock is the most popular service pistol the Globe over. Naturally it is issued for a lot of dept. and isn't up for debate. However, the number of MIL units that choose to run it as well as specialty LE or FED units who choose to run them is far greater than 1%. When it comes to professional trainers/instructors, their job is to teach you how to shoot regardless of the make/model in your hand.
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I also find that hard to believe...I am having a hard time thinking of a single trainer that I have heard of who does not recommend Glocks.
I could very readily type out a list of maybe fifty trainers with serious credentials who recommend the Glock.
Could you list off 5000 who do not recommend the Glock? That would be hard to imagine.
