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Ok, so decisions decisions ...

At the moment I have an MR1 but I wouldn't mind gettin something more "tactical" that would run better in a 3-gun style shoot.

I am trying to decide between ACR vs XCR (for the Non-Restricted goodness) or an AR. Here are my questions;

1) is it cheaper to buy (ex: DD for about 1500$ with Magpul goodies) or is it cheaper to build? I would prefer the piston driven system vs DI

2) I am in the works for my RPAL. What parts could I legally buy with only a PAL?

3) What would be the ideal barrel length as an all-rounder ex: 3-gun, hunting (if I get something NR) etc

Thanks!
 
Tikka223 said:
Ok, so decisions decisions ...

At the moment I have an MR1 but I wouldn't mind gettin something more "tactical" that would run better in a 3-gun style shoot.

I am trying to decide between ACR vs XCR (for the Non-Restricted goodness) or an AR. Here are my questions;

1) is it cheaper to buy (ex: DD for about 1500$ with Magpul goodies) or is it cheaper to build? I would prefer the piston driven system vs DI

2) I am in the works for my RPAL. What parts could I legally buy with only a PAL?

3) What would be the ideal barrel length as an all-rounder ex: 3-gun, hunting (if I get something NR) etc

Thanks!
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To Answer Question#2............Everything except the lower reciever. You could even buy all the parts for the lower receiver but you just can't purchase the forging (stripped lower) that has the serial number on it.
 
If you like to tinker then build a ar,buy a complete lower parts kit and buy an upper then when your rpal comes buy the stripped lower assemble then be hated by all liberals.
 
Shooter1of38 said:
Have you considered a Tavor? NR, LAR mags, LCF, what's not to like?
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-Length of pull is on the long side.
-Left hand shooters need a conversion bolt.
-Reloads aren't as quick as with a conventional layout.

Other than that, I would consider the Tavor and the Swiss Arms rifles to be the best non-restricted options for this class of rifle.

If 3-gun competition is your primary use, a good AR is the best, most competitive choice. Daniel Defense rifles are top quality for a very reasonable price. If you go the AR route, stick with direct impingement. Adding piston operation to ARs has its own set of problems while providing no advantage to probably 99% of users, be they military, law enforcement, or civilian.
 
I like my Bushmaster 16" flat top with removable carry handle originally. After changing some parts, new Troy free float hand guard, flip up sights, Magpul CTR butt stock, Magpul ASAP sling plate, Timney trigger (So Nice - everyone should have one), and mounting a really good scope I think I'm up to about $1000 in upgrades plus a Trijicon 1-4x 24 Scope at $900 something... The gun was $1650 new at the time when AR's were hard to get. I believe prices have come down 10%-15% nowadays. So, I guess what I'm saying is you may as well build one with everything you want/think you need. In the long run it would probably be cheaper, it's easy math to do. Go to Brownells.com and use the AR Builder app on the site, it's pretty cool and you can see the gun come together as you select your parts.

Highly recommend the Timney trigger, and the Trijicon.
 
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lakermetal said:
For an AR, stag, DD , or ....... NEA if you dare...
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I would have to advise against the NEA, it was the first and only gun to fail on one of Earl's carbine course..... And early on too...

A DD for 1500 is a good deal, if they were bringing them in when I purchased my AR, I'd probably would have gotten that. I'm roughly 1200 into my semi custom AR, and it wouldn't hold up against a DD
 
justinchow said:
I would have to advise against the NEA, it was the first and only gun to fail on one of Earl's carbine course..... And early on too...

A DD for 1500 is a good deal, if they were bringing them in when I purchased my AR, I'd probably would have gotten that. I'm roughly 1200 into my semi custom AR, and it wouldn't hold up against a DD
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I agree. I would have done the same. I don't know anything about NEA so I have no comment about the rifle they produce. I Could not get my hands on a Daniel Defense or a Noveske when I was buying.

1500 sounds good. Add a QUALITY optic and you're good to go.
 
Get an AR15. Might as well do it now, as it's only a matter of time before you come to the realization that it sits firmly at the pinnacle of firearms world. Buy Chinese or American major name brands. If you really want to stay Canadian, look into a Dlask or ATRS AR15s. NEA has had some serious growing pains. Some of their stuff is fantastic, some of it is far from. Give the company a couple years to sort out their QA/QC and I think we'll see better things.
 
Been doing some reading on the XCR ... I take it folks aren't converts eh? I'm liking the ergonomics of it but I'm wondering how they perform now that they have been on the market for some time and there has been time to sort out teething problems.

ARs have a huge advantage when it come to swapping parts ... I like the idea of being able to drop in a match barrel and trigger. Just too bad you can't hunt with them.

Swiss Arms would be my go-to if they weren't 3000$ used.
 
Tikka223 said:
Been doing some reading on the XCR ... I take it folks aren't converts eh? I'm liking the ergonomics of it but I'm wondering how they perform now that they have been on the market for some time and there has been time to sort out teething problems.
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Some? Yea we had an XCR on the course too, it ran ok throughout... but was a little troublesome, same with the Kel-Tec SU16....

I think (here in Canada at least) people are trying to find alternatives to the AR platform, simply because it's a restricted firearm... if all you're planning is having some fun at the range, taking a couple of courses, and running some competitions, then just get an AR, they're relatively inexpensive compared to alternatives, like the ACR, XCR, or SU16.

Something like a good Daniel Defence or Noveske will run you half the cost, and will run and shoot great... plus you will have the extra cash for more ammo and accessories!
 
Shooter1of38 said:
Have you considered a Tavor? NR, LAR mags, LCF, what's not to like?
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Owned one for a short amount of time, while decently comfortable, there was a few issues. Firing pin not contacting primer at all, problems returning to battery, and not to mention the trigger. My ACR on the other hand, while restricted, is one of the best rifles I've owned and I've never experienced a problem with it.
 
justinchow said:
I think (here in Canada at least) people are trying to find alternatives to the AR platform, simply because it's a restricted firearm...
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I think this is definitely the case. Every one of the non-restricted alternatives comes up short in one way or another when compared to an AR, be it cost, ergonomics, reliability/durability, etc.
 
So people keep saying "just get an AR" if your doing courses and 3-gun. Is this advice just because of the price-point or are they really that much more competitive and faster to "run and gun"?
 
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