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Looking to get into IPSC and i have been looking at a few guns. I want to stay in the production class for now. I have narrowed it now to the S&W M&P in 40 cal and the cz shadow. I like the m&p 40 because i can change out the barrel to 9mm. I haven't seen a conversion for the shadow to 9mm.

Just looking for some feedback from guys that have either one.
 
I own the shadow in 9mm, CRAFM can usually swing a good deal on one. I was debating the exact same two choices and am very pleased that I went with the shadow.

Good solid pistol, IMHO.
 
I have a shadow as well. I love shooting my shadow, but I wouldn't recommend a gun to someone. Go shoot them both again and decide which one you like shooting the best. Which one fits best in your hand? Which one are you going to enjoy shooting over and over?
 
The shadow is definitely the most popular pistol for IPSC production division. That doesn't mean you can't do well with the M&P though either. Hold both if you can and buy the one that feels best. I was in the same boat a couple of years ago and chose the shadow. Haven't regretted it.
 
Try them both out at the range. But iirc, the M&P40 has a mag safety, which would require you to have an empty magazine on you at all times in order to "hammer down and holster". I may be wrong though. But like others have said, shooting .40 in production doesn't give you an advantage. I would go with the shadow.
 
Down-loaded .40 is pretty comparable to a similarly loaded 9mm. It is going to cost you a little more for bullets, but over the course of 1000s of rounds, isn't that much.
Either pistol will be a good choice. I too would recommend steering clear of looking to switch calibers in the same gun. It really isn't worth the effort.
 
I own both in 9mm. The Shadow is a much nicer gun to shoot. The sights and trigger alone will sell the Shadow if you handle them side by side.

The only reason to get a .40 instead of 9mm is if you want to shoot Standard class. Otherwise for Production, get a 9mm.
 
Production Division is sooooooo last decade. Get yourself a 1911 and get in on the ground floor of the newly created Classic Division!!!!
 
I second that, get yourself a Trojan or for a bit less a Spartan in 9mm and go nuts! The best part is you can get into a gun for the same cost as a production gun but you can modify it quite a bit and not worry about ending up in Open. You can swap calipers, do trigger jobs, engrave the slide, refinish the gun, add a magwell, skateboard tape the whole gun if you like, almost anything except a comp and optics and you are still Classic legal.
 
So what is it with the Shadow? Ive seen so many threads about it being such a popular weapon for IPSC. What makes it such a favourite for competition over Glocks, S&W etc. that are such popular choices outside of IPSC?
 
BurnabySoldier said:
So what is it with the Shadow? Ive seen so many threads about it being such a popular weapon for IPSC. What makes it such a favourite for competition over Glocks, S&W etc. that are such popular choices outside of IPSC?
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CZ / Tanfoglio / Baby Eagle / Jericho pattern guns have better triggers, better sights, better mag profiles, better magwell openings, a lower bore axis for recoil and more weight up front making them much easier guns for the average shooter to excel in IPSC with than a tupperware gun like the glock or M&P.

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PH Racing said:
I second that, get yourself a Trojan or for a bit less a Spartan in 9mm and go nuts! The best part is you can get into a gun for the same cost as a production gun but you can modify it quite a bit and not worry about ending up in Open. You can swap calipers, do trigger jobs, engrave the slide, refinish the gun, add a magwell, skateboard tape the whole gun if you like, almost anything except a comp and optics and you are still Classic legal.
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Yeah the only thing I can't understand is why I can't use my Kimber because it has a rail on it! Grrrrrrr! I understand they are trying to be "Classic" but then it should only be .45. and not 9mm. I am "forced" to use my beautifully tuned Trojan in 9mm as it doesn't have a rail.

BTW my Kimber Desert Warrior is more classic than a lot of the 1911s that are allowed as it has the 70s series in it but the dreaded rail just ruins everything. Grrrrrr again!!!!
 
Yeah, I'm Not sure why IPSC didn't allow the rails. USPSA originally didn't allow them either but changed the rule to accept them because there are so many new 1911 pattern guns being sold and used. Even the Marines are now issuing a railed Colt. The argument could be made that its not an "Original" feature...but neither is a bull barrel and they allow them in Classic Division. And these are the two major differences that separate IPSC from USPSA. If you build a bull barreled gun to maximize your gun to the rules up here, it's not legal in the US, but if you shoots railed gun it's ok in the US and not here.
 
Well up here in fort mcmurry so I will have to wait till I get back to town. I really like the look of the cz. Now just have to get to the store and spend some money. I liked the option to switch barrels if I am just going to the range.
 
Freedom Ventures said:
CZ / Tanfoglio / Baby Eagle / Jericho pattern guns have better triggers, better sights, better mag profiles, better magwell openings, a lower bore axis for recoil and more weight up front making them much easier guns for the average shooter to excel in IPSC with than a tupperware gun like the glock or M&P.

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More like Glockfan chimed in plus 1...2...3... :)

As a Glock lover/owner, that is why I was curious why my babies weren't more popular.

However thanks for the response, that about sums it up and ends my sleepless nights wondering what is with the magical Shadows.
 
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