Some Anshutz 64 questions (UPDATE - recently shot provincials)
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As I said, I wasn't happy with my groups from this rifle.
I just got off the phone with a guy that is familiar with the rifle. He asked me about the barrel and how the action sat in the stock. I had noticed that the barrel was off to one side when I bought it. I ran a folded dollar bill underneath to make sure it was full floated and was happy that the barrel was not touching. Apparently, the stock has been lightened and my buddy thinks that is why the barrel is off to one side and he has told me how to correct it. I'm going to give it a go tonight and I'll post pics and results.
Adrian
I just got off the phone with a guy that is familiar with the rifle. He asked me about the barrel and how the action sat in the stock. I had noticed that the barrel was off to one side when I bought it. I ran a folded dollar bill underneath to make sure it was full floated and was happy that the barrel was not touching. Apparently, the stock has been lightened and my buddy thinks that is why the barrel is off to one side and he has told me how to correct it. I'm going to give it a go tonight and I'll post pics and results.
Adrian
Bedding/straightening/hopefully accurizing
As I said, the barrel sat to the left. This pic makes it look worse than it was.
As my buddy mentioned, the stock has been lightened...a lot.
rear shim
forward shim
test fit. It looked good so I covered the shims and the contact areas with a thin coat of two part epoxy. It didn't fit as well as I hoped after tightening the screws. I was pissed but I popped it apart, wiped the hole receiver clean and started again with the grease...boo. But for my first attempt at this, it didn't go too bad.
grease so nothing gets stuck with the epoxy
After
now just gotta turn the screws in a couple hours to make double sure nothing is stuck. I also greased the trigger assembly housing. Don't want to epoxy that stuff...
I'll clean it up and check for even contact. I may need to do it a second time if there are big gaps.
As I said, the barrel sat to the left. This pic makes it look worse than it was.
As my buddy mentioned, the stock has been lightened...a lot.
rear shim
forward shim
test fit. It looked good so I covered the shims and the contact areas with a thin coat of two part epoxy. It didn't fit as well as I hoped after tightening the screws. I was pissed but I popped it apart, wiped the hole receiver clean and started again with the grease...boo. But for my first attempt at this, it didn't go too bad.
grease so nothing gets stuck with the epoxy
After
now just gotta turn the screws in a couple hours to make double sure nothing is stuck. I also greased the trigger assembly housing. Don't want to epoxy that stuff...
I'll clean it up and check for even contact. I may need to do it a second time if there are big gaps.
Trigger Job
My buddy from the club told me about how to get a better trigger on my rifle.
This is the underside of the trigger assembly. From that threaded hole and void above the trigger came...
...this screw and this spring.
I cut 1.5 or so coils off the bottom of the spring. I was told to cut 2 but this is how it worked out and I thought better not enough than too much.
This is my weight! Haha. My...er...I mean the wife's 2 pounds weight with 110grams of spices taped to it. That plus the wire must be about 2.25 pounds.
I put the shorter spring and screw back in and tightened the screw about 3/4 of the way in. Then I hung the weight from the trigger and carefully backed out the screw until it would just hold the weight.
Then I adjusted this screw at the pivot area of the trigger to adjust the sear until the trigger broke. Then I put it back in 1/4 turn. The stock has a hole to get at this screw later if I want to adjust it further.
My buddy from the club told me about how to get a better trigger on my rifle.
This is the underside of the trigger assembly. From that threaded hole and void above the trigger came...
...this screw and this spring.
I cut 1.5 or so coils off the bottom of the spring. I was told to cut 2 but this is how it worked out and I thought better not enough than too much.
This is my weight! Haha. My...er...I mean the wife's 2 pounds weight with 110grams of spices taped to it. That plus the wire must be about 2.25 pounds.
I put the shorter spring and screw back in and tightened the screw about 3/4 of the way in. Then I hung the weight from the trigger and carefully backed out the screw until it would just hold the weight.
Then I adjusted this screw at the pivot area of the trigger to adjust the sear until the trigger broke. Then I put it back in 1/4 turn. The stock has a hole to get at this screw later if I want to adjust it further.
You guys are sure doing some weird things with that rifle.
Why in the world would anybody try to reduce the weight of a Match target rifle?
One of the best companies in the world for making target rifles fitted the barrel and action to the stock in the way they deemed best for accurate shooting.
Then you guys completely bugger it up.
I can't believe what I see you doing to the trigger. Here is what the trigger once was.
TRIGGER DATA
Type
Adjustable, two stage, Anschütz Match with safety catch
Model
5091
Trigger pull weight
150 g (5.3 oz)
Range of Adjustments
140 to 200 g (5.0 oz. to 7.0 oz)
Adjustments
Trigger pull weight, Catch overlap, Trigger over-travel
Original trigger adjustable from 5 to 7 OUNCES.
And you guys got it all apart, trying to set the trigger at 2 POUNDS, while forgetting about creep and over travel.
Why in the world would anybody try to reduce the weight of a Match target rifle?
One of the best companies in the world for making target rifles fitted the barrel and action to the stock in the way they deemed best for accurate shooting.
Then you guys completely bugger it up.
I can't believe what I see you doing to the trigger. Here is what the trigger once was.
TRIGGER DATA
Type
Adjustable, two stage, Anschütz Match with safety catch
Model
5091
Trigger pull weight
150 g (5.3 oz)
Range of Adjustments
140 to 200 g (5.0 oz. to 7.0 oz)
Adjustments
Trigger pull weight, Catch overlap, Trigger over-travel
Original trigger adjustable from 5 to 7 OUNCES.
And you guys got it all apart, trying to set the trigger at 2 POUNDS, while forgetting about creep and over travel.
+whatever, no match rifle should be saddled with a 2+lb trigger pull. While 5oz sounds a bit light for my taste, it is far better than the 2lb version.
Mark
I was waiting for the flaming to start, it desn't bother me. I'm having fun and we'll see in the end how the shooting goes. I'm not competing, just having fun.
I am going on the advise of a very good shooter who has worked with these rifles for many years.
The adjustment screw was backed out all the way and a 2.25 pound weight hung off it without firing the action. It is now breaking at just over 2.25 pounds and I will have someone with more experience and skill fine tune it for me later.
And quit whining...it's not like it's been altered permanently. I can get another spring if I'm really unhappy with the results.
I am going on the advise of a very good shooter who has worked with these rifles for many years.
The adjustment screw was backed out all the way and a 2.25 pound weight hung off it without firing the action. It is now breaking at just over 2.25 pounds and I will have someone with more experience and skill fine tune it for me later.
And quit whining...it's not like it's been altered permanently. I can get another spring if I'm really unhappy with the results.
There are no other guys just me. And I didn't lighten the stock of the rifle, it was done at some point before I got it. I think it was done to meet sporting class rules or something.
I agree with you about the rifle being made and fitted by the best...36 years ago. My thoughts are that the wood aged and dried out and it was probably helped along by the action screws being over-tightened. The wood at the contact point of the front of the action was obviously depressed. Regardless, the action set in the stock crooked and wiggled around with the screws tight. Not a good recipe for an accurate rifle. So I brought it back to it's former glory. Straight and tight with a nicely floated barrel.
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Ahhh, a couple good bluenosers to my rescue...thanks fellas. Haha.
Just got off the phone and got more history on this rifle. It was brought into Canada as a Junior match rifle but was modded to compete as a sporting rifle. As such, the stock was lightened so the rifle would be 7.5 pounds and the trigger was made heavier to be within the rules to have a minimum 2.2 pound pull. It's just that it was way heavy...more like 4 pounds. The spring was so stiff that the adjustment screw was all the way out. Which can result in it backing out and becoming lost. The clipping of the spring was to make the spring shorter so that the screw can be further in and not at risk of backing out.
As I said, my consultant friend has a lot of knowledge and experience.
Just got off the phone and got more history on this rifle. It was brought into Canada as a Junior match rifle but was modded to compete as a sporting rifle. As such, the stock was lightened so the rifle would be 7.5 pounds and the trigger was made heavier to be within the rules to have a minimum 2.2 pound pull. It's just that it was way heavy...more like 4 pounds. The spring was so stiff that the adjustment screw was all the way out. Which can result in it backing out and becoming lost. The clipping of the spring was to make the spring shorter so that the screw can be further in and not at risk of backing out.
As I said, my consultant friend has a lot of knowledge and experience.
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Interesting thread... and it is your gun after all, so make it work for you!
As a side note: If the trigger pull was over 4 lbs, any chance that the mechanism was over-greased and dirty? The photo suggests that there was a lot of goop there, at least on the outside.
As a side note: If the trigger pull was over 4 lbs, any chance that the mechanism was over-greased and dirty? The photo suggests that there was a lot of goop there, at least on the outside.
The trigger assembly was reasonably clean and lightly oiled. The photos shown still have some of the grease used to keep the receiver from sticking to the epoxy bedding until it has a chance to cure.
I am going to give it a good cleaning and assemble the rifle tonight.
