Swiss Arms Question

So my wife may have given me the green light on a Black Special. :bigHug:

The next question then is should I go 1:7 twist or 1:10 or does it really matter?

Depends what you want do do with it. I have both a 1:7 and a 1:10, I shot 5000 rounds last year through a 1:10 twist, mostly 55gr, and then this year so far I have about 1300 mostly 55gr through a 1:7 twist.

I am mostly tactical shooting, and personally, with the way I am shooting I do not notice a difference between the two twists while shooting 55gr, out to about 200yds sometimes 300yds, 55gr ammo shoots fine out of both my 1:7 and 1:10.

The non restricted 1:7's are made strictly for export and are meant for shooting heavier rounds. If you want to shoot those heavier 70gr and higher rounds accurately out to extended ranges, like 600+ then get a 1:7, most people say that the highest you should go in a 1:10 is about 63-64gr, where as a 1:7 should handle up to 80gr or higher if you can find it.

That being said I know some people have had good results shooting 77gr through a 1:10 so, it really depends on what you want to do with the rifle.

If your plinking and having fun, get either. If you want to go long range and heavy bullets, then go 1:7, if you want a Swiss Arms varmint, get a 1:10 and shoot 40gr all day.

The first time I took both rifles out together I wanted to compare and Shooting 55gr American Eagle through both the 1:7 and the 1:10, with iron sights I was able take out pop cans at 220yds like nothing, with both rifles. That suggests to me anyway that both twists handle 55gr more than accurately enough for me.

I have also shot a lot of CQB using 55gr through a 1:7 twist and never had any issues with stabilization.
 
I dunno. I'd be a little hesitant to buy one.

Steve up there, put 4000+ rounds through one in one year and the thing crapped out on him. Sounds a little 'fly-by-night' if you ask me.

And can you ever really trust the Swiss? They can't even make cheese without putting a bunch of holes in it.
 
Depends what you want do do with it. I have both a 1:7 and a 1:10, I shot 5000 rounds last year through a 1:10 twist, mostly 55gr, and then this year so far I have about 1300 mostly 55gr through a 1:7 twist.

I am mostly tactical shooting, and personally, with the way I am shooting I do not notice a difference between the two twists while shooting 55gr, out to about 200yds sometimes 300yds, 55gr ammo shoots fine out of both my 1:7 and 1:10.

The non restricted 1:7's are made strictly for export and are meant for shooting heavier rounds. If you want to shoot those heavier 70gr and higher rounds accurately out to extended ranges, like 600+ then get a 1:7, most people say that the highest you should go in a 1:10 is about 63-64gr, where as a 1:7 should handle up to 80gr or higher if you can find it.

That being said I know some people have had good results shooting 77gr through a 1:10 so, it really depends on what you want to do with the rifle.

If your plinking and having fun, get either. If you want to go long range and heavy bullets, then go 1:7, if you want a Swiss Arms varmint, get a 1:10 and shoot 40gr all day.

The first time I took both rifles out together I wanted to compare and Shooting 55gr American Eagle through both the 1:7 and the 1:10, with iron sights I was able take out pop cans at 220yds like nothing, with both rifles. That suggests to me anyway that both twists handle 55gr more than accurately enough for me.

I have also shot a lot of CQB using 55gr through a 1:7 twist and never had any issues with stabilization.


Thanks for the input.

The vast majority of my shooting will be plinking less than 300 yards and with 55gr ammo. I don't think I'd ever shoot more than 62 grn and there isnt' a lot of opportunity around here to even shoot 150 yards, let alone 300+.

From what you wrote, looks like 1:10 is the way to go.
 
I would think that most CGNers would be better off with the 1:10 twist. The only reason to need a 1:7 twist is if you're using the rifle to shoot long bullets (typically the >63gr bullets). But seriously, how many of us are actually shooting 77 gr bullets on a regular basis?
 
I shoot 55's at 300, 400, 500 and most recently, 600 yards with my 1:10 no problem at all. No need for a heavier bullet for punching paper and ringing gongs.
 
Have you shot anything heavier? If so good/bad results?

I had some 62gr nato on hand the one day, no noticeable difference at 300 and 400. Other than that its all been 55gr.

Here's a typical pattern with 55 at 300 yds. 15 rounds. 3.5X Acog optic.
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Here's one at 425 yds 55gr 10 rounds. 3.5X Acog optic.
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From what you wrote, looks like 1:10 is the way to go.

Yes absolutely, however a 1:7 will perform similar if not the same as a 1:10 for what you plan on doing. Just buy whatever is available and cheapest. I only bought my 1:7 because it was a good deal

I dunno. I'd be a little hesitant to buy one.

Steve up there, put 4000+ rounds through one in one year and the thing crapped out on him. Sounds a little 'fly-by-night' if you ask me.

It was 5000, and yes it is misbehaving, however, I wouldn't hesitate based on my experience alone. Swiss Arms makes some of the most reliable semi-auto rifles available and to base your opinion on one specific rifle would be cutting yourself short I think. Remember MALICE, as soon as I knew I needed to send my Black Special away for repairs, I bought a Classic Green to keep me happy. Of course if your still hesitant you could always go buy an NEA rifle, or better yet a Mini-14;)
 
i have a 1in 10" barrel on my swiss, and have never felt the need for a 7" twist.

I have shot out to 600m with the 69gr matchkings, and the limiting factor at this range is my shooting, not the barrel twist or the bullet weight.

It sounds like a 1 in 10" twist barrel will cover 100% of your shooting. Buy your swiss, and then try to keep a bunch of 55 gr ammo in stock!!!

TK
 
So my wife may have given me the green light on a Black Special. :bigHug:

The next question then is should I go 1:7 twist or 1:10 or does it really matter?

1:7 twist or 1:10 witch is better ??? don ' t take any chance ,,,buy both.... one green & one black ,,, i m jealous , i want a green too now.....

this is the only real option for a semi auto, tought, reliable, and accurate , non restricted rifle,,,in 223.

other is more toy than a real service rifle...but cheaper...

that 's why i have one black....now... :D

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http://www.biggerhammer.net/sigamt/550/550techinspection/
 
You probably can't go too far wrong with either, but I would pick 1:7 over 1:10 given equal price and availability. A 1:7 barrel can shoot the longest bullets on the market, while still having the ability to handle the shorter, lighter bullets.

Contrary to popular belief, many 1:7 barrels can shoot very well with light bullets:
http://m4carbine.net/showpost.php?p=827516&postcount=37
 
You probably can't go too far wrong with either, but I would pick 1:7 over 1:10 given equal price and availability. A 1:7 barrel can shoot the longest bullets on the market, while still having the ability to handle the shorter, lighter bullets.

Contrary to popular belief, many 1:7 barrels can shoot very well with light bullets:
http://m4carbine.net/showpost.php?p=827516&postcount=37

Thanks for that, now i'm more confused.....:p
 
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