HK p7m8 ( where to buy )

You could more than likely purchase one from a US seller/vendor, and then have an importing company do all of the legal work for you. Prophet River specializes in that sort of stuff...they'd be able to help you out.

Been looking at getting a P7 for myself, as well. I had the opportunity of firing one, and have since been on the hunt. Only problem is that they are so damn expensive!
 
Yep, as mentioned above, check the EE on a regular basis, if you come across one and you like it and the price....................jump on it!!

That's how I came across mine.
Great little guns to own and shoot. If you find one at a good price you will have a good investment, they keep their value well and will only increase in cost.

Although they sell for a bit less in the US, a really nice one in the states still draws a good price, by the time you import it, pay fees/taxes, etc., I would suspect you will end up paying the same or more as one that is already here.

The nice part about finding one in Canada is that a lot of them were imported directly from Germany (as mine was), so they don't have the US importing and warning stamping on them.

Good luck with the hunt.
 
well I dont want a m13 because its double stack. It will defeat the whole beauti of the p7 series. If I am going to go double stack, might as well go with a glock 19, or sig 239.

I am looking for the single stack because it feels nice in my hand.

IF anyone has one for sale, please let me know. p7m8
 
trekstor said:
well I dont want a m13 because its double stack. It will defeat the whole beauti of the p7 series. If I am going to go double stack, might as well go with a glock 19, or sig 239.

I am looking for the single stack because it feels nice in my hand.

IF anyone has one for sale, please let me know. p7m8
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I thought I would chime in on this thread, as I tend to add my 2 cents to most threads about the P7s, the GLOCK 19's and the SIG 239! I own at least one of all the guns you are mentioning, so maybe I can offer some advice.

SIG 239 is actually single stack. It is also the smallest feeling pistol, in the hand, in terms of grip size, of all the ones you have mentioned. The only 239's we've ever had in Canada (that I am aware of, unless somebody got a custom made barrel for one in the U.S. and imported it themselves) are the "tactical" ones in 9mm with the threaded barrel. Various of the prohib ones have been imported for public agencies as a small alternative to full-size SIGs, but that is neither here nor there. If I were only getting one, I wouldn't get a 239. Fine pistols, but they feels small and are a bit unique.

P7M13 is my favorite pistol in the whole-wide-world these days. don't count them out just because they are double stack. I love the feel of them, but then again everyone is different. Best to try before you buy (if at all possible). The Belgian surplus M13s might be a great fit for your purposes. It is a shame how people blatantly flipped the $999 guns to new buyers after a few months, in some cases almost doubling their money... but that is the free market.

P7M8's are a great gun, but don't count out the PSP either! There are more of them around, they are cheaper, and the mags seem to be the easiest to obtain of all the P7's. The ambi mag release (P7M8) vs. the heel mag release (PSP) is not as big a deal as you might think. The mags come out, and the full ones go back in, very quickly with both pistols!

The GLOCK 19 is probably the best bet for you if you want something right now and don't want to wait around searching on the EE and other sites. You should be able to get one from Questar fairly quickly. I personally think that the IGB barrels that Sporteque does (or is it now "did"?) bring in, are the best, but the Lone Wolf ones are certainly good enough. GLOCK 19 is also one of my favorite guns, and the availability of parts and accessories radically outstrips what you will see for almost any other gun on the market.

If you really want a P7M8, just keep searching for it. Eventually you can get it. Almost all the guns (which are legal for me to acquire) which I have lusted after... eventually I was able to find them (if I could afford them!). You just have to keep at it.
 
P7M8's are intricate machines. They're supposed to be super accurate but I never found it to outshoot modern HK's and the example I shot for me anyway was less accurate than a 9mm 1911 or the walther P99 and PPQ.
 
Gundoggy said:
P7M8's are intricate machines. They're supposed to be super accurate but I never found it to outshoot modern HK's and the example I shot for me anyway was less accurate than a 9mm 1911 or the walther P99 and PPQ.
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I wanted to mention something about accuracy as well. This is more for noobs than for Gundoggy, but Gundoggy's comment got me thinking about this. One thing you have to keep in mind with the P7 series, is that the concept of the trigger is somewhat "backwards" from more traditional guns. Guns like the classic SIGs, Beretta 92, and even newer designs like the USP/P2000/P30... when firing in single action the trigger will move rearward and "take up" to a break-point. That distance, from the "rest" position to the break-point, will be most of the range of movement of the trigger. The distance beyond the break-point (the overtravel) will be much shorter than the distance the trigger moves before it breaks. The trigger then must move backwards some distance in order to re-set. Many shooters consider the distance to reset to be THE crucial factor in their shooting style and success (this is where GLOCK-type triggers are popular. Very short re-set by most (non-1911) standards), others don't shoot that way and don't think that way - so they like SIG or Beretta or whatever.

The P7's, on the other hand, are "backwards" as I say. The break-point of the trigger is up closer to the front of the range of movement of the trigger, and most of the distance the trigger will travel is actually behind the break-point. You have to adjust your mind to this when learning to shoot P7. I think of it as... letting the trigger all the way back out, and then the break point is right there for you... bang.... let it all the way back out... bang, etc. Once you adjust your thinking to this approach, the gun becomes just deadly fast and accurate. The beauty of it is, you only need to keep the gun completely still at that initial break-point up front, all the rest of the travel of the trigger, forward and back, the bullet is long since gone and exited the barrel.

A gun like, say a classic SIG without the SRT, the trigger control is more like... take it up to the breakpoint... squeeze (bang)... let it out to the re-set... bring it back to the breakpoint... squeeze (bang), etc. If you practice with that system, you can get as good as anybody using anything else, but its a different way of thinking. If you try and transport those skills over to the P7, you won't really have success in my view, and will have to learn a new way of shooting to succeed with the P7.

GLOCK, with its spongy-springy little trigger with its short re-set, works great... if you get used to thinking that way. Quality 1911's usually have a tiny take-up, very light break point, and a tiny re-set. That is why so many people consider them the ultimate competition pistol, in my view.

My point is that accuracy is mostly in your head with pistols. Your head and your hands. Which ever system jives with the way your brain works, and allows you to break shots quickly without moving the gun around as you are in the process of breaking the shot, will be the gun that works best for you.

A quality 1911 is pretty hard to beat in this area (tiny take-up, light trigger, tiny re-set), but other people like other triggers as well. The P7 has a fixed barrel (unlike virtually every other 9mm pistol except for the Steyr GB, the P08 Luger and a few others) but the accuracy doesn't really come from that. I am a firm believer that with all pistols, the lack of accuracy comes from moving the gun while in the process of releasing the striker or hammer. 1911's are accurate for most people not because of the way the barrel locks up, or because of the length of the barrel or whatever (allthough these could be factors for really advanced shooters), it is because of the triggers they have.

HK P7's can be frighteningly fast and accurate little guns, once you start to think like a P7!

This is a confusing topic to explain in words. I could explain this to a Noob much faster at the range by showing him or her the actual pistols.

Hope this is of some assistance to someone! :)
 
"Ghostie's" comments about trigger control are really good. The "manual of arms" of the H&K P-7 pistols is different enough that the US police departments that bought them, gave them up fairly soon because of training problems. The guns are wonderful pieces of engineering, but the shooter has to make serious adjustments in technique to be able to shoot them to the full capacity of the piece. It justn't isn't like other handguns. This is not easy and for some people, it's just more than they want to deal with. I like the gun, find it really accurate, much safer than most, and an absolutely remarkable design. But I have to admit that it isn't really a gun for everybody.
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The P7 is one pistol I don't compete with. I find that unless i shoot it all the time I don't shoot it as well. If i could only have one pistol, it would be the one. But as i am always trying a different pistol (lifes too short to shoot only one gun) I reserve it for practice or informal range time.

If i put time into practicing with it alone, it's by far the fastest and most accurate pistol i own.
 
I bought a P7M8 off the Cdn Firearms buy&sell a few yrs ago for $900 (mint condition, no box and 1 mag), it was listed as Prohib (cert said Prohib) and didn't think anything of it as I have 12.6. Couple of yrs ago I answered a WTB on the EE and mentioned it was Prohib, surprised when buyer said it should be RES. Had it verified and yes it was 106mm and sent in the paperwork. After a year, checked with the CFC and they said it was registered as RES and never was PROHIB? Ok accepted someone goofed, got a new cert which said RES. Some 6 months later get a call from CFC folks at the tech center, gun is still PROHIB, don't know anything about RES status and how I got a cert saying so. They have the paperwork but need pics, so sent in pics. Months pass, emails sent, no response. Finally get a call from same CFC tech, asking questions about pics but pics need to be ok'd by the tech who oks pics? Get an email, pics acceptable but did I have the the barrel changed and if so what happened to the original barrel? Told them it's all original. LOL! What a circus back there!! A month later I get a new cert. Total time about 2 yrs to change status. Holy crap, now you know where the billions of $ went!!
 
MTF said:
"Ghostie's" comments about trigger control are really good. The "manual of arms" of the H&K P-7 pistols is different enough that the US police departments that bought them, gave them up fairly soon because of training problems. The guns are wonderful pieces of engineering, but the shooter has to make serious adjustments in technique to be able to shoot them to the full capacity of the piece. It justn't isn't like other handguns. This is not easy and for some people, it's just more than they want to deal with. I like the gun, find it really accurate, much safer than most, and an absolutely remarkable design. But I have to admit that it isn't really a gun for everybody.
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I do have to correct one of your assertions - at least one of the US PD's that adopted the P7 (NJSP - one of the first State Police agencies to adopt an autoloader) gave them up only when the cost of maintaining them became too much and reluctantly went to the SW99. They adopted the P7M8 sometime in the 80's and only got rid of them in the past several years...
 
Had an M8, used it for IPSC, great gun, very fast, very accurate. Found an M13, got that, sold the M8, big mistake. Sold the M13 and will buy an M8 again. The grip on the M13 is the same size as a Glock 20/21 (non sf).

Most people regret selling their M8, I did.

Put a WTB ad in the EE and have money on standby. I found a few M8's and one M13 for my friends with WTB ads.

Most of all be patient, one will turn up!
 
Ghostie,

a couple of years ago, I had a bad case of tendonitis in my right trigger finger that took a year to heal. Since then certain triggers seem to work with my finger better than others. Before then, I shot most guns fairly consistently with only minor differences in accuracy...meaning I was able to consistently press the trigger correctly on a number of different guns. Since the injury some just work better than others and for the ones that are not ideal, no matter how much I practice they just don't shoot as well as guns with triggers my finger can press properly. This included certain guns I used to shoot very well before the injury.

I have a few customized guns that don't work as well...:(
And some stock affordable guns that do :D

Ah well, gives me a reason to trim down the collection to stuff that works!!
 
We have one LNIB P7M8 and one LNIB P7M13 coming, we will post more info once they are here.

If anyone is interested, they can e-mail us at info@armtac.com
 
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