1914 vs. 1917

IMHO the 14 and 17 were the best Enfields. :stirthepot2:

I'd love a full wood 17 someday but the prices are crazy.

Other differences... The 14 has grooves inside the box mag to guide the rims of the .303 cases. The 14 also has a serial number on the back of the flip up rear sight.
 
Alfonso said:
Ok, lots of good reasons and opinions. So, where other than the EE forum can I buy a decent 1917 or 1914? Are there any dealers which secretly have a small supply at reasonable prices? Thanks
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You have to remember that our lovely neigbours to the south are absolutely insane about acquiring American milsurps.....:redface:.....while for a long time they were satisfied in glorifying the 1903 Springfield and the M-1 Garand :yingyang: , they have finally turned their attention to the 1917 (which they previously were lukewarm on, in relative comparison) :wave: , and boy did they come after the 1917's with a passion !.........:eek:
 
Last I checked Jean at P&S have a few M1917's for sale still. I was happy with the last 17 I got from him (shown above). Not bargain basement prices, but fair.
 
M1917 facts

Sgt. Alvin C. York was said to have taken out a German machine gun battalion of 160 soldiers in WWI - single-handly!

Armed with a M1917 (P-17) and a 1911

The p17 has enfield rifling, 5 grooves, 5 lands, left hand twist...
 
jethunter said:
...perfectly understandable considering the P14 is such an icon in Canadian history.
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During the late '30's the Canadian gov't bought less than 100 P-14's for trial purposes and in 1940 the Canadian government purchased 80,000 P-17's, for training purposes, defence plant guards, Pacific Coast Rangers, RCAF ground defence, etc. Again, which is iconic?
 
Garand said:
During the late '30's the Canadian gov't bought less than 100 P-14's for trial purposes and in 1940 the Canadian government purchased 80,000 P-17's, for training purposes, defence plant guards, Pacific Coast Rangers, RCAF ground defence, etc. Again, which is iconic?
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Exactly, and apparently the sarcasm in my remark went right over your head. ;)
 
Garand said:
During the late '30's the Canadian gov't bought less than 100 P-14's for trial purposes and in 1940 the Canadian government purchased 80,000 P-17's, for training purposes, defence plant guards, Pacific Coast Rangers, RCAF ground defence, etc. Again, which is iconic?
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Which begs the question, what was the Canadian involvement with the P14? I Own 2 and like them but can't find much on any Canadian use.
The P14 and M17 in function and handling are virtually identical. I think it would be a matter of which caliber one preferred . I shoot 303 so I lean that way.
 
Alfonso said:
Ok,

So I have a question that I hope will stir up a good debate that will help me decide between the Enfirled Pattern 1914 or the Eddystone 1917. Which is the better rifle and why?
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Simple answer...GET BOTH!!!!!!!!!!!
One will be a Commonwealth issue gun (P-14) and one will be (Generally speaking) an American issue gun (P-17).
Yeah I know the P17 was used by Canada as well!!!! don't get yer knicker in knot.
GET BOTH...problem solved!!!!!
 
Cdn303 said:
To sidetrack this thread a little. What is the fireing pin protrusion suppossed to be on an M1917.
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I can't find anything on the M1917, but for comparison's sake;

M1 Garand: min - .044, max - .059
No4 Lee Enfield: min - .040, max - .050

In the absence of a gauge you can examine some fired cases and check the primers for shallow or deep cratering, or in the worst case, pierced primers. If you don't have any fired cases and are worried about an excessively long pin, do a firing test with empty newly primed cases.
 
jethunter said:
Exactly, and apparently the sarcasm in my remark went right over your head. ;)
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It is true that the P-14 was not a common issued service rifle to the Canadian Corp in WW1 but they were one of the preferred sniping rifles along with the Ross.I suppose you would disdainfully turn up your nose at one of these non- iconic examples if it ever presented itself at you?
 
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