Stock vs Modified SKS

[Canadiantactical2011]

My dad has the ati dragonov stock for his, I don't like it as much, I'm more for the tactical/ar look I guess

 

[Remmy700]

Nice, pretty much what I was planning on doing, is that the tapco mag to? If it is how does it function?

ET

 

[Canadiantactical2011]

Nice, pretty much what I was planning on doing, is that the tapco mag to? If it is how does it function?

ET

Ya, works great never had an issue, on,y problem is they are expensive 50-60 bucks

 

[The Shiller]

The bst things to do to this rifle are
trigger job
get a vietnam fiberglass stock & bed it
get a butt pad or check riser depending on what optics you are running
everyhing else is like beep. Everyone on here has one but only some are like me and talk out of them

 

[The Kurgan]

My lightly refurbished blued bayo '52 Tula started life looking like this:

then changed form 4 times in a period of 6 months:

then changed to this:

then changed to this:

and finally to this: (oh, and I'm finally happy)
It sits in my B.O.B. ready for the Zombie apocalpyse!

Yep, she gives Mr. Dressup a run for his money!

Of course my two unfired, non-refurbs will not change form:

 

[TRaTSeRiF]

I'll pay a going price for a stock rifle, but I won't pay anything for a molested one. You f#cked it, you keep it.

Lol yeah, you'll ruin a fine collector's piece, only 15,000,000 around and will bring down the value from the astronomical amount of $179.99

1) Tapco and Tech don't require any modifications, so the laminate stock can chill in a bag and you can put it back on when you decide to open an auction through Sotheby's

2) People will be willing to pay at least the going rate for a rifle that can legally and reliably take 10 rounds, so the XCR mag won't ruin its value as there are plenty of people out there who actually shoot their SKS'. The only risk is ruining the rifle, [period, but you always risk that whenever you take your tools to it, so it's up to the owner to decide whether it's worth the risk.

 

[Canadiantactical2011]

Very nice

 

[Canadiantactical2011]

Lol yeah, you'll ruin a fine collector's piece, only 15,000,000 around and will bring down the value from the astronomical amount of $179.99

1) Tapco and Tech don't require any modifications, so the laminate stock can chill in a bag and you can put it back on when you decide to open an auction through Sotheby's

2) People will be willing to pay at least the going rate for a rifle that can legally and reliably take 10 rounds, so the XCR mag won't ruin its value as there are plenty of people out there who actually shoot their SKS'. The only risk is ruining the rifle, [period, but you always risk that whenever you take your tools to it, so it's up to the owner to decide whether it's worth the risk.

The sks will accept xcr mag?

 

[Dad003]

after some modification , a guys on this website do a nice job with one mag

 

[TRaTSeRiF]

The sks will accept xcr mag?

after some modification , a guys on this website do a nice job with one mag

Yep, the process has been outlined in here http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=764971

Short story: Remove material until the mag fits.

Watch the youtube vids and thank the OP. Standup guy.

 

[.223Rem]

My first rifle is a bone-stock 1952 Russian. Last night I got to shoot it and one that had a Tapco stock and TS-100 sight. Wow what a difference. Yeah, some purists out there will flame me for daring to go against the original Simonov design, but the differences were drastic.

1) Stock open irons were BRUTAL in the lighting conditions at the range. Using a black marker helped a bit, but I was still slow to acquire the target and the groups were looser than a prom queen on roofies. Even when firing with little to no pause between rounds (not rapid, but measured fast firing), I was getting tighter groups with the Tech sight.

2) Using a stock that would fit a human being as opposed to using a stock designed for stunted, underfed peons was liberating. The rifle was a lot more comfortable to handle and aim. Bonus points for the vertical grip.

So yeah, gents.. You can post pics of Orthodox priests saying prayers to keep Tapcos off your red rifles and you're certainly within your rights, but from a pure usability perspective, it's a no contest situation. Assuming you're a full-sized male specimen (over 5'6"), you have to ask yourself whether you wanna look at it or you wanna shoot it.

To each there own, I like them stock. But like others have said, there's lots of them out there.

Just because you mentioned it...

 

[fiddler]

Lol yeah, you'll ruin a fine collector's piece, only 15,000,000 around and will bring down the value from the astronomical amount of $179.99

My point is that you can't build a Porsche out of a Pinto. I have a huge vault full of black rifles, restricted, and other tactical firearms. They are precise, original, and they do what they were engineered to do. If I feel the need for another tactical rifle, I'll buy another AR. You can spend a whole bunch of money and time making an SKS look like something else, but its still an SKS.

If you want an SKS, then buy one. If you want a precision tactical rifle, then buy an AR. You can put all the make up and eye liner on an SKS, but you don't fool anyone, its still and SKS and shoots like one. I have a pile of SKS rifles, they are beautiful for what they are.

 

[Remmy700]

Relax guys jeez.... It's a friggin hobby and to each their own. People put stocks on rifles everyday, just like some people put rims on minivans???? If you don't like it read a different thread. We wonder why we can't get any of the gun laws revised, we can't even get along and we all enjoy the same sport.

ET

 

[RMXC51]

To each his own. I was able to get reasonably accurate shots with the stock irons if I took forever and a half to line them up since the "rear" sight is way forwards, making for a pistol-like LOP. Tech just made it a million times easier and significantly quicker. It's a much better design for the rifle, true to the spirit of the design - cheap, easy to use, easy to maintain standard issue.

Also, being 5'9", the laminate was just WAY too short. I wasn't exaggerating when I said that it was designed for stunted, malnourished peons, probably in the 5'4" range.

Do it up however you want. Just keep in mind:
- The SKS prototype was designed in 44/45. Average height was about 5'5" then.
- After Stalingrad, the Soviets learned a lot about vicious urban warfare. The prototypes were given to special units for the battle of Berlin, where they were well received. With the short LOP and built in bayo, the SKS could very well be the first purpose built CQB rifle.

Just thoughts to ponder...

 

[TANK1867]

My point is that you can't build a Porsche out of a Pinto. I have a huge vault full of black rifles, restricted, and other tactical firearms. They are precise, original, and they do what they were engineered to do. If I feel the need for another tactical rifle, I'll buy another AR. You can spend a whole bunch of money and time making an SKS look like something else, but its still an SKS.

If you want an SKS, then buy one. If you want a precision tactical rifle, then buy an AR. You can put all the make up and eye liner on an SKS, but you don't fool anyone, its still and SKS and shoots like one. I have a pile of SKS rifles, they are beautiful for what they are.

Actually, if you need another precision tactical rifle, try a L1A1!!

All above was said just for fun, no insult intended.

 

[TRaTSeRiF]

You can put all the make up and eye liner on an SKS, but you don't fool anyone, its still and SKS and shoots like one. I have a pile of SKS rifles, they are beautiful for what they are.

Let me get this straight. Are you saying that...

1) A shooter won't get better accuracy than the stock irons by putting a quality peep closer to the shooter's eye?

2) That a stock replacement won't improve the ergonomics, hence the speed of acquisition and accuracy for a shooter in the 5'9" range considering that factory stock was designed for someone a lot smaller?

Newsflash #1: An SKS can become a better range rifle with only minor improvements.
Newsflash #2: I don't expect for Ivan, Jeff or Yifei to be invading Canada while I'm young enough to man the battle lines and if they do, I'll be issued a C7

Do it up however you want. Just keep in mind:
- The SKS prototype was designed in 44/45. Average height was about 5'5" then.
- After Stalingrad, the Soviets learned a lot about vicious urban warfare. The prototypes were given to special units for the battle of Berlin, where they were well received. With the short LOP and built in bayo, the SKS could very well be the first purpose built CQB rifle.

Just thoughts to ponder...

You are raising some valid points, but it was still designed for someone a lot smaller than me (lower end of the average Canadian scale). Also, significantly better CQB solutions are out there but absolutely irrelevant when made legal for civilian ownership in Canada, especially if aiming for non-restricted status. You are making a strong case to put up a red dot, though

 

[mg4201]

CGN member Ganderite added a peep to one of his SKS' and posted about it here. He liked it a lot better than the stock (crappy) sights. I trust his opinion because he is a serious shooter and a good guy.

 

[winchester94]

I like my tapco. mag has never given me any issues.

that being said, I like em stock too!

IMHO the bc tactical mount is an awesome addition. solid!

 

[Remmy700]

Winchester94,

Really like it with the red dot, was the bc mount needed to mount it like that? What brand of sight? And how does it function (accurate?holds zero?)

Does anyone happen to have the green or tan tapco stock on there sks?

ET

 

[rdelliott]

Who said anything about going all Call of Duty? Was I discussing lasers and ACOG's and coffee-makers? When I got mine, I started shooting it with an open mind, but the puny stock and the factory irons left a lot to be desired compared to the other SKS I tried last night.

I just want a rifle that's usable by a full-sized human (adjustable stock) and reasonably easy to aim (rear-mounted peep). I want to shoot it and not just have it sit on my wall so I can admire the lovely laminate craftsmanship. I can get that with an SKS for half of what an 858 would cost me. It's not like mine was used for liberation of Vietnam from the Americans or had some other historic value. Newsflash: There are millions on the market and mine was already Bubba'd (or Boris'd) in Tula Oblast.

My original post was to raise a debate on this topic because there are a couple of design issues with the SKS that would make life difficult for your typical North American shooter. Those can be fixed easily and cheaply, but whenever someone dares to mention the idea of technical solutions to the design flaws, they get attacked for butchering their rare specimen, a true work of art, a museum piece.

Sorry for bein so harsh. I was in a pissy mood over Quebec politics and you caught some overlap; apologies.

I guess my point would be that instead of spending money on aftermarket accessories to turn a milsurp with some, if not a lot, of historical value into something it isn't, why not buy a Cz858 instead? You'll get a proven rifle in a proven configuration that'll do what you want your modded SKS to do, only better, for not much more money.

Alternatively, there are Chinese commercial SKSes out there without any milsurp value, and nobody will shed a tear if you mod one of those out the wazoo. In fact, I've got one that I'd be willing to trade for your Russian; I'll even throw in a Scoutscopes.com scout mount and a PLA jungle stock just to sweeten the deal. PM me if you're interested.