How many rnds between cleaning?

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Wondering how many rounds you guys fire before cleaning? Do you go until you notice a change in accuracy?

I've been going between 20 and 40rnds in my milsurps but I'm more worried about overdoing it with my new target rifle...
 
flying pig said:
Wondering how many rounds you guys fire before cleaning? Do you go until you notice a change in accuracy?

I've been going between 20 and 40rnds in my milsurps but I'm more worried about overdoing it with my new target rifle...
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from what i have read cleaning does not actually affect accuracy. you do need to make sure your gun is oiled. but i have never tried it. i clean all my guns that i take to the range maybe 200-300 rounds each gun.
 
bluesteel221 said:
from what i have read cleaning does not actually affect accuracy. you do need to make sure your gun is oiled. but i have never tried it. i clean all my guns that i take to the range maybe 200-300 rounds each gun.
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you sir have been reading the wrong s**t! cleaning completly effect accuracy!

lets break it down quick and simple (this is goin on the rule not the exceptions)

a clean bore can shoot well, but a fouled bore ( can be any thing from 2-20 shots depending on bore) will most likely shoot considerably more accurate once the bullet has a build up bearing surface to ride on (the copper left behind) on the other hand an overly fouled bore will be innacurate and requires to be cleaned of copper. you will see this when the groups start to open up. some rifles may take as little as 50 shots, while other can be 100s. my old weatherby .223 was a tack drive once the barrel settled in after about 8 shots, but at 60 would start to open up. my current 308 settles in at about 15 shots, but doesnt seem to mind haveing over 250+ rounds down the pipe.

i run an oiled patch down the bore for storage, if its goin to sit more then a few days, but i dont bother giving it a cleaning untill the groups open up
 
in my savage 110ba .300winmag i like to clean after 40 rounds. i have gone to 80+ with no issues but i have to let the cleaners soak longer.
 
ultimate_monkey said:
you sir have been reading the wrong s**t! cleaning completly effect accuracy!

lets break it down quick and simple (this is goin on the rule not the exceptions)

a clean bore can shoot well, but a fouled bore ( can be any thing from 2-20 shots depending on bore) will most likely shoot considerably more accurate once the bullet has a build up bearing surface to ride on (the copper left behind) on the other hand an overly fouled bore will be innacurate and requires to be cleaned of copper. you will see this when the groups start to open up. some rifles may take as little as 50 shots, while other can be 100s. my old weatherby .223 was a tack drive once the barrel settled in after about 8 shots, but at 60 would start to open up. my current 308 settles in at about 15 shots, but doesnt seem to mind haveing over 250+ rounds down the pipe.

i run an oiled patch down the bore for storage, if its goin to sit more then a few days, but i dont bother giving it a cleaning untill the groups open up
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Here is the article enjoy!

"A Clean Barrel: A clean barrel just shoots better, or does it?"

http://www.americanrifleman.org/ArticlePage.aspx?id=1945&cid=3
 
I went 120rnds before i cleaned mine. And that was its first cleaning/break in period. havent fired a round in it since. but like mentioned above, i'll probly clean it when my groups open up.

edit: great artical above!!!
 
Just a simple oily patch between outing and in the case of a 308, it will go many hundreds rounds with great grouping, your rifle will tell you when it need a good scrubb ( i never use metallic brush in my rifle )... JP.
 
When I shoot an f-class match I wont clean until the match is over , sometimes as many as 150 rounds or more.

In my 6ppc bench gun it will get cleaned every 25 rounds or so , my hunting rifles get cleaned before the hunting season and after.

Most of my varmint guns get cleaned once in a while , so I guess cleaning depends on what the rifle's purpose is imo.
 
Clean rifle.....
shoot 1 round,....clean moose.
go home....
clean rifle.
so I guess the answer is 1 round :)

There is no one answer that anyone can give you that will be the absolute correct answer for your rifle. Only your barrel will tell you, generally by a reduction in accuracy. Some barrels prefer to be fouled after cleaning before they even start back into their accuracy node. Some need to be really fouled to shoot at all.... Best is to test.
BUT remember RUST NEVER SLEEPS.
Gord
 
I've had a barrel that was over 800 rounds without cleaning (except for chamber) and still won weekend agg with it. The only reason I cleaned it after that was because the provincial championship was coming up.

Cleaning is over rated and the only people that will tell you that you have to clean every day is either a) your section commander. b) the quartermaster c) a barrel maker 4) the people that make and sell cleaning products.

Let your rifle tell you when it needs to be cleaned.
 
Thanks for the advice guys. Looks like everyone is on the same page. Do you guys run a dry patch through before shooting if you run the oiled one after or does it matter?
 
flying pig said:
Thanks for the advice guys. Looks like everyone is on the same page. Do you guys run a dry patch through before shooting if you run the oiled one after or does it matter?
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for "safty" reasons ill say yes, an overly oiled bore can cause a huge pressure spike but you would need ALOT of oil in there. myself, if the bores just been lightly oiled for a few days storage i dont botehr with a dry patch
 
everyone that reads the precision rifle forums on this website should be forced to watch the magpul dynamics- art of the precision rifle dvd. they explain the difference between carbon and copper cleaning and how often he does it. i don't want to type it all out because its last and I'm tired but if you really want to know what they say i can type it up for you just ask. basically he says to never remove copper deposits only carbon.
 
allan92 said:
everyone that reads the precision rifle forums on this website should be forced to watch the magpul dynamics- art of the precision rifle dvd. they explain the difference between carbon and copper cleaning and how often he does it. i don't want to type it all out because its last and I'm tired but if you really want to know what they say i can type it up for you just ask. basically he says to never remove copper deposits only carbon.
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I have heard about that. All I can say is that before I discovered copper removers that worked, I would get noticeable copper gilting in the bore. I learnt to go looking for this copper guilting because accuracy had gone south. This experience was based on factory barrels at that time.

FWIW, I tend to clean my factory barrels somewhere between 30 and 60 rounds. The after markets will be left around 160 or so. Sometimes I am mainly just cleaning the carbon. But about every second cleaning I use a dedicated copper remover.

My Savage barrels need cleaning sooner than my Remington barrels.

All my barrels need at least a few shots to really settle in after a good cleaning.
 
flying pig said:
Thanks for the advice guys. Looks like everyone is on the same page. Do you guys run a dry patch through before shooting if you run the oiled one after or does it matter?
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It would be a bad idea to shoot through an oiled bore the pressures could get high , I have never oiled any of the bores on my guns and would only do it if I was to store them for a long time.

So if there is any oil in the bore you should patch it out before shooting imo.
 
flying pig said:
Wondering how many rounds you guys fire before cleaning? Do you go until you notice a change in accuracy?

I've been going between 20 and 40rnds in my milsurps but I'm more worried about overdoing it with my new target rifle...
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My accuracy starts to go after about 35-40 rounds, sometimes a bit more. When tolerances are so tight, cleaning is important. Once my groups start to open up it's time to clean. I know what my system is capable of, so that's when I clean. I also started to clean at the range after shooting, and then fouling the barrel with 2-4 shots.

Next range session, first shot cold bore is much closer to my true POI.

:sniper: So much fun!
 
I go roughly 500 - 600 rounds between cleanings..........I shoot Moly coated bullets and use a cleaning regimen that was passed on to by by a Top notch Target rifle competitor (Who has competed for Canada in the past)...............If shooting a weekend match I will push a couple dry patches through the bore just to remove any "gunk"...........
 
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