SKS with AR lower.....Yeah.....

[mdmaroon]

No, because its still a pistol magazine and they are not limited... If its modified to fit a rifle it becomes a rifle magazine. Then its limited.

Which brings me to my next question...

What if I then take that modified pistol magazine, which is modified to fit a different pistol, and I then put it in a rifle, which may or may not require an adapter or other modification make it work?

Remember, we're saying the modified pistol magazine can legally hold 10 rounds because it was modified for use in another pistol.

How is this different from modifying any other pistol magazine, such as the LAR mag?

 

[supernova]

Which brings me to my next question...

What if I then take that modified pistol magazine, which is modified to fit a different pistol, and I then put it in a rifle, which may or may not require an adapter or other modification make it work?

Remember, we're saying the modified pistol magazine can legally hold 10 rounds because it was modified for use in another pistol.

How is this different from modifying any other pistol magazine, such as the LAR mag?

I'll have you know this is my second face palm in 10 mins.

The questions you just asked have already been answered. Handgun magazines are permitted to hold 10 rounds of the cartridge they were originally designed and manufactured for. They can be used in any gun they fit in. Modifying the mag to fit in a semi auto centerfire rifle is considered remanufacturing the magazine and it is then subject to the 5 rd magazine capacity limit of semi auto centerfire rifles. Unless you have an RCMP approved SKS pistol and your own 10rd mags made for it then you are s**t out of luck (SOL) this mod requires modifying AR mags to function, it kills it for Canadians. Its over.

 

[pavmentsurfer]

Which brings me to my next question...

What if I then take that modified pistol magazine, which is modified to fit a different pistol, and I then put it in a rifle, which may or may not require an adapter or other modification make it work?

Remember, we're saying the modified pistol magazine can legally hold 10 rounds because it was modified for use in another pistol.

How is this different from modifying any other pistol magazine, such as the LAR mag?

I think the question of proof comes into play here. If you were ever caught and asked about WHY the magazine in your rifle was modded youd need to prove that it was modded for another PISTOL and NOT for your rifle. However, even if you could present another rifle that just so happened to require EXACTLY the same mods to use this mag as your rifle did, I would say the power that be would more than likely still book you for it. The truth is though, that you and I both know this question is just semantics... which is an argument youll never win with the law.

 

[mdmaroon]

I think the question of proof comes into play here. If you were ever caught and asked about WHY the magazine in your rifle was modded youd need to prove that it was modded for another PISTOL and NOT for your rifle. However, even if you could present another rifle that just so happened to require EXACTLY the same mods to use this mag as your rifle did, I would say the power that be would more than likely still book you for it. The truth is though, that you and I both know this question is just semantics... which is an argument youll never win with the law.

Well, to be honest, the reason I was asking those questions is because I'm trying to suggest that you cannot modify a magazine at all, or it becomes a prohibited device.

I don't think you can modify a 10 round magazine at all, no matter what you were planning to do with it.

I guess the thing is, if you modify a 5 round magazine, even though it might technically become prohibited for the same reason as modifying a 10 round magazine, nobody is going to question it because it doesn't have the appearance of breaking the law. On the other hand, using 10 round pistol magazines in a rifle does have the appearance of breaking the law, even if it technically is not.

 

[HeVGunner]

Well, to be honest, the reason I was asking those questions is because I'm trying to suggest that you cannot modify a magazine at all, or it becomes a prohibited device.

I don't think you can modify a 10 round magazine at all, no matter what you were planning to do with it.

I guess the thing is, if you modify a 5 round magazine, even though it might technically become prohibited for the same reason as modifying a 10 round magazine, nobody is going to question it because it doesn't have the appearance of breaking the law. On the other hand, using 10 round pistol magazines in a rifle does have the appearance of breaking the law, even if it technically is not.

do you have a source for any of this or is this your opinion?

 

[mdmaroon]

do you have a source for any of this or is this your opinion?

http://laws.justice.gc.ca/eng/regulations/SOR-98-462/page-1.html

They refer to modifications as "altering" or "re-manufacturing" in the regulations.

Upon reading this, it appears that modifications are allowed, as in the case of modifying for the purpose of limiting the capacity to 5 or 10 rounds of the ammunition for which the magazine was designed, and the type of firearm for which it was designed (5 rounds for a rifle, 10 rounds for a pistol).

Where one might run into legal trouble is if the magazine was a 10 round pistol magazine and it was modified or "re-manufactured" specifically so that it could function in a semi-automatic rifle. One could argue that it was modified and intended to be used in a pistol, but just happens to also work in the rifle. In court, if it could be demonstrated to the judge or jury that the magazine would not normally fit the rifle, your modifications allowed it to fit, and then in fact you did put it in a rifle, I think you'd have a hard time convincing them that it was not your intent to use the magazine in a rifle when the modifications were made.

In other words, if your REAL reason for modifying the magazine was for the purpose of allowing it to fit in a semi-automatic rifle, then you have a prohibited device on your hands, unless you pin it to 5 rounds. Essentially you would be re-manufacturing a magazine, and it has to be limited to the appropriate capacity for the type of firearm that you intended to use it in.

So, having said all that, I think if you have a 10 round pistol magazine in a rifle, it'll raise eyebrows with those who don't know that it is okay, but, as long as you haven't modified the magazine, you're in the clear. It cannot be argued that you re-manufactured the magazine with the intent to use it in a rifle. On the other hand, if you did modify it, the matter could end up in court, and even if you win, which is not guaranteed, you still lose because of wasting your time and legal costs.

One thing I was wrong about, I think, is modifying a 5 round magazine. Looks like that is totally fine, as long as it holds no more than 5 rounds and cannot be easily adapted to hold more, etc, etc.... It's only 10 rounders that can get you into trouble, if you modify them and then put them in a rifle. I wouldn't modify a pistol magazine if the real intent is to use it in a rifle. Basically, what the other guy said earlier was exactly correct.

Why couldn't they just make the limit 10 rounds for semi-auto rifles and pistols? Would be so much simpler for everyone!

 

[supernova]

They should f**k off with their useless mag restrictions and stop trying to make laws about something they clearly know little to nothing about. Just print out the RCMP calarification on magazine capacities and keep it with you when shooting. When some uneducated douche bag starts shooting his/her mouth off about their opinion regarding the law, you can prove them wrong and be legally on your way.

 

[mdmaroon]

They should f**k off with their useless mag restrictions and stop trying to make laws about something they clearly know little to nothing about. Just print out the RCMP calarification on magazine capacities and keep it with you when shooting. When some uneducated douche bag starts shooting his/her mouth off about their opinion regarding the law, you can prove them wrong and be legally on your way.

I have had to do exactly that.

 

[TRaTSeRiF]

I have had to do exactly that.

And, IIRC, the person still threw a b****-fit over it.

 

[pavmentsurfer]

http://laws.justice.gc.ca/eng/regulations/SOR-98-462/page-1.html

They refer to modifications as "altering" or "re-manufacturing" in the regulations.

Upon reading this, it appears that modifications are allowed, as in the case of modifying for the purpose of limiting the capacity to 5 or 10 rounds of the ammunition for which the magazine was designed, and the type of firearm for which it was designed (5 rounds for a rifle, 10 rounds for a pistol).

Where one might run into legal trouble is if the magazine was a 10 round pistol magazine and it was modified or "re-manufactured" specifically so that it could function in a semi-automatic rifle. One could argue that it was modified and intended to be used in a pistol, but just happens to also work in the rifle. In court, if it could be demonstrated to the judge or jury that the magazine would not normally fit the rifle, your modifications allowed it to fit, and then in fact you did put it in a rifle, I think you'd have a hard time convincing them that it was not your intent to use the magazine in a rifle when the modifications were made.

In other words, if your REAL reason for modifying the magazine was for the purpose of allowing it to fit in a semi-automatic rifle, then you have a prohibited device on your hands, unless you pin it to 5 rounds. Essentially you would be re-manufacturing a magazine, and it has to be limited to the appropriate capacity for the type of firearm that you intended to use it in.

So, having said all that, I think if you have a 10 round pistol magazine in a rifle, it'll raise eyebrows with those who don't know that it is okay, but, as long as you haven't modified the magazine, you're in the clear. It cannot be argued that you re-manufactured the magazine with the intent to use it in a rifle. On the other hand, if you did modify it, the matter could end up in court, and even if you win, which is not guaranteed, you still lose because of wasting your time and legal costs.

One thing I was wrong about, I think, is modifying a 5 round magazine. Looks like that is totally fine, as long as it holds no more than 5 rounds and cannot be easily adapted to hold more, etc, etc.... It's only 10 rounders that can get you into trouble, if you modify them and then put them in a rifle. I wouldn't modify a pistol magazine if the real intent is to use it in a rifle. Basically, what the other guy said earlier was exactly correct.

Why couldn't they just make the limit 10 rounds for semi-auto rifles and pistols? Would be so much simpler for everyone!

Not to be a dink... but this is pretty much exactly what I said.

Think of the JRcarbines you can buy right now. They are designed to accept 10 round pistol magazines. The gun was built this way and it accepts the magazines with NO modifications to the magazine itself. Its completely legal to have 10 rounds in a JR Carbine. If you ground off the mags or did anything to them at all though, its no longer legal and they would need to be pinned at 5.

Now if you have a pinned 5 round rifle magazine, you CAN mod that all you want... as long as it stays pinned at 5. Lots of guys have cut their 30 round VZ 58/858 mags down to be 5/20's instead of 5/30s. They are still pinned at 5 but have had the body of the mag cut and shortened alot. Thats pretty heavy modification, but not at all illegal because at the end of the day, the mag only holds 5 rounds.

 

[mdmaroon]

Not to be a dink... but this is pretty much exactly what I said.

Yep, I gave you credit for that, second to last paragraph. You are the guy I was referring to, I think...

 

[Decivox]

I emailed them to see if we could use the XCR mags without modification, this is the response I got:

Just for conversation sake, let’s say the XCR mag will function in the AR receiver properly. I do not know if that is factual or not, as I have never tried one. However, here is where it falls apart. We have moved the release button and locking assembly lower on the AR ‘box’ to allow for clearance under the stock. The release mechanism would have been inside the stock if left in original configuration. Thus, we have to modify ANY mag we use to fit the new “release” location. So, no, they won’t work unmodified. But, it was a good idea. And we are very aware of the 5 round pinned law here in the USA for our brothers to the north. I guess we can’t fix stupid with our .govs no matter where they are.

I dont have any XCR mags or any AR guns, so I am still not sure if it would work or not. Can anyone chime in on this?

 

[bfiles]

What mags is buddy using in the video???

30 round 7.62x39 AR mags yes, but any idea on manufacturer??

 

[Decivox]

What mags is buddy using in the video???

30 round 7.62x39 AR mags yes, but any idea on manufacturer??

From the SKS forums

The mags are slightly modified, C-Products, 7.62x39 specific made mags for the AR platform. The mags are made for the AR lower to feed the 7.62x39 AR upper. So far, we have not had a single mis-feed or jam. We did change the feed angle from the original AR though.

 

[bfiles]

I was gonna say they are too good to be C-Products mags but they fiddled around with them first

 

[superdiver]

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