Swan Hills Bear Attack

Demolical, you as I am are entitled to our believes....but I think you are moving the goal lines here. No one said that this grizzly and the cub will be on a "Night of the Grizzly" human seeking mission to Kill, maim, or destroy. To come up with an argument as such is well, just plain comical.
Also as to your anthropomorphic comment, that wasn't suggested or implied. I hardly think that you are an animal behavioural expert (maybe you are???). I simply said that I believe this grizzly (that has mauled a human) and her cub will now have less fear of humans and should be destroyed. My experiences in working with animals (grew up on a farm) is they have learned conditional responses. Kind of like a dog that bites once is more likely to bite again than a dog that hasn't, pup or no pup.
I'll say it again, IMO a human life is worth more than an animals life. And in keeping with that belief the poor schmuck in this situation (again in my opinion) should be the bear and the cub.
cheers

Hawk, grizzlies don't fear people. Grizzlies don't fear anything except bigger grizzlies. The point is not about a bear being worth more than a human, that's a silly statement. The question is, where do you stop? All grizzlies are potentially dangerous. The hunter had a food supply, the grizzly drove him off, that’s what they do. The only way to be safe from the behavior that has made carnivores successful is to either kill every grizzly, polar bear, coastal brown bear, lion, tiger, leopard, snake, shark, killer whale, and leopard seal until we feel that we can safely venture outdoors. But what a sad and empty world it would be! I for one like that there are dangerous animals in the world. I don't understand why anyone would want to lose that.
 
Boomer, I'm sure we'll hear something in the next day or so. I also think it's a gross over-reaction, if they've killed either of those bears, but what I was told today didn't sound too good for those grizzlies.

That article about the Dangerous Bear Response Team said they'd be getting DNA. Only one way to get that from a grizzly I guess...


hawk-i, I don't consider myself to be anything but a concerned observer of this tragedy. This happened right in my hunting & working area.


This is a terrible incident for the person, and the grizzlies involved.

I agree wholeheartedly with your last sentence.
 
This attitude is anthrpomorphic in nature; it suggests that these bears can reason, when their reactions are entirely instinctual. These bears are not going cross-country seeking humans to devour.

They're not leaving this encounter and wandering along today thinking, "Jeez', that was easy, let's go find some more peoples to f**k up."

A grizzly has no fear of humans! That sow is going to react that way, any time some poor schmuck walks in and sits on a log right between her and her cub.

Defending a cub is an instinctive reaction of any sow grizzly. It's ingrained in all sow grizzlies, and has developed over the millenia..
So why didnt mommy bear hear or see or even smell the intruder coming, and flee the area?. She let him come and sit down between them?... I dont believe it. and if she did let him walk in, shes hunting humans, and should be shot.
 
^ Mommy bear!? Are you serious!?

Do you know anything at grizzlies? I mean real, in the bush encounters? It's no joke... :mad:

I lived in Swan Hills for 17 years; I've worked and hunted in the Swan Hills since 1980. There's not much of this area I haven't traveled, worked and hunted in.

I know the exact trail where this happened! I killed a moose in there 'back-in-the-day'. It would be very easy to walk in that trail, and not make any appreciable amount of noise, to alert those bears.

I talked to a resident of Swan Hills, who has direct word-of-mouth information on this attack. And it happened exactly as I said; the guy literally walked right up and sat down between the 2 bears ( which I suspect were eating berries and separated by a short distance).

And at this time of year bears are gorging themselves on blueberries up in this country. I would expect those bears were doing exactly that, as that country in there is loaded with those berries. And if they were eating, as I expect, they wouldn't be as apt to hear a hunter strolling along.

There's tons of stories of guys stumbling along a trail and running into bears at close range, triggering an attack response.
 
Hawk, grizzlies don't fear people. Grizzlies don't fear anything except bigger grizzlies. The point is not about a bear being worth more than a human, that's a silly statement. The question is, where do you stop? All grizzlies are potentially dangerous. The hunter had a food supply, the grizzly drove him off, that’s what they do. The only way to be safe from the behavior that has made carnivores successful is to either kill every grizzly, polar bear, coastal brown bear, lion, tiger, leopard, snake, shark, killer whale, and leopard seal until we feel that we can safely venture outdoors. But what a sad and empty world it would be! I for one like that there are dangerous animals in the world. I don't understand why anyone would want to lose that.

Boomer, I hear what you are saying and I do agree most of it. However, once a bear, tiger, shark, or what ever has mauled a human its time to destroy it. The practise of doing so will (for most examples) in no way jeopordize the sustainability of the species as a whole.
Also grizzlies do fear man, most of the grizzlies along with their cubs in my area will take off on a run once they get your scent. The ones condition to having no fear of humans are the ones that in past learned responses had no reason to fear us. Last year F&W shot two grizzlies (conditioned to not fearing humans) for being a nuisance and a "potential" threat, no mauling was involved. Also grizzlies or blacks acting in a threatening manner around a residence are also destroyed. It's like you said they are big dangerous beautiful animals. I'm not advocating for search and destroy of the species, many times I've backed off and taken a different path to avoid a closer encounter. However, those that attack humans (for what ever reason) IMO need to be destroyed.
cheers
 
Looks like they found the mother grizzly dead a couple hundred yards from where the attack happened. I'd rather have the hunter survive over a bears anytime.

I too work in this area and can attest to the high number of bears out here. Both Black and Grizzly seem to be very aggressive around here as compared to other areas in the province. I had a mother Black bear popping her jaws at me just 2 days ago about 5 miles south of Swan Hills, and she was between me in my truck and her cubs.
 
Looks like they found the mother grizzly dead a couple hundred yards from where the attack happened. I'd rather have the hunter survive over a bears anytime.

I too work in this area and can attest to the high number of bears out here. Both Black and Grizzly seem to be very aggressive around here as compared to other areas in the province. I had a mother Black bear popping her jaws at me just 2 days ago about 5 miles south of Swan Hills, and she was between me in my truck and her cubs.


Grizzly sow found dead a couple of hundred yards from attack site. If this is true then its very lucky the guy had a gun with him and as I said in post # 29 HOW do you know this wasn't a predatory attack terminated by the shot?
I've been stocked twice by blacks when out hunting, the first time (years ago) I put a run on the bear by charging it, so that worked out ok. The second time it happened (last year) the black snuck in quietly belly low to the ground and I charged it when it came to within 20 feet of me. This time when I stopped my charge the bear stopped it's retreat, I wasn't bear hunting but I did fill one of my two tags right there.
 
This attitude is anthrpomorphic in nature; it suggests that these bears can reason, when their reactions are entirely instinctual. These bears are not going cross-country seeking humans to devour.

Not what I said

They're not leaving this encounter and wandering along today thinking, "Jeez', that was easy, let's go find some more peoples to f**k up."

Or this

A grizzly has no fear of humans! That sow is going to react that way, any time some poor schmuck walks in and sits on a log right between her and her cub. And we know this is a one-in-ten-thousand type of incident, just horrible bad luck for that guy!

Griz fear humans. if this one stayed alive it would have less fear of a human

Defending a cub is an instinctive reaction of any sow grizzly. It's ingrained in all sow grizzlies, and has developed over the millenia.

This is not 'Night of the Grizzly'...


Sorry, but i stick by my statement. Although i do agree momma was just being protective.
 
Do animals talk with animals of the same species? if yes, then this mom grizzly need to be destroyed. So do the cubs.

Don't need to worry about the extinction of the grizzlies. for every grizzly destroyed, the ministry will deduct limited hunting tags for that specie.
 
Boomer, I hear what you are saying and I do agree most of it. However, once a bear, tiger, shark, or what ever has mauled a human its time to destroy it. The practise of doing so will (for most examples) in no way jeopordize the sustainability of the species as a whole.
Also grizzlies do fear man, most of the grizzlies along with their cubs in my area will take off on a run once they get your scent. The ones condition to having no fear of humans are the ones that in past learned responses had no reason to fear us. Last year F&W shot two grizzlies (conditioned to not fearing humans) for being a nuisance and a "potential" threat, no mauling was involved. Also grizzlies or blacks acting in a threatening manner around a residence are also destroyed. It's like you said they are big dangerous beautiful animals. I'm not advocating for search and destroy of the species, many times I've backed off and taken a different path to avoid a closer encounter. However, those that attack humans (for what ever reason) IMO need to be destroyed.
cheers

Destroying a bear that has made a non-predatory attack on a human serves no purpose, its only a futile feel good exercise. These bears are supposed to be aggressive and fearsome, hence their Latin name; that didn't happen by accident. Don't confuse a bear moving off the trail with a frightened bear. A grizzly has a large personal space, and when he feels encroached upon, it makes him uncomfortable. If nothing is gained by a confrontation or an attack, he moves off. That bear, once her hunger was satisfied and moved away from the moose carcass, would have been no more or less dangerous than any other grizzly at any other time. But if people interfere with bear genetics by killing every aggressive grizzly, the animal that's left is but a shadow of what once was.

If bear numbers are high enough that people living and working in an area believe a significant risk exists that some trimming should be done, then do that with the allocation of hunting licences. Thus specific bears are not targeted in an effort to turn the species into sheep.
 
Bear attack!

Just got word from a field Op that F&W is on scene, in our Swan Hills operating area, and air ambulance is flying some guy out of the bush. Hope it wasn't a grizz'...

Hope the guy survives... this is a bad deal.

There is a big grizzly, with a real nasty attitude, that hangs out in the area, where this attack happened...

Have you heard the lately status on this poor fellow?:(
 
http://www.edmontonsun.com/2012/09/19/alberta-hunter-expected-to-recover-after-grizzly-bear-attack-bruin-found-dead

A grizzly bear is dead and a 48-year-old man is expected to recover after a bear attack sent him to hospital Tuesday, Mounties say.

“It didn’t sound like it was anything life-threatening,” Swan Hills RCMP Sgt. Clifton Dunn said regarding the hunter’s injuries.

“Definitely he’s worse for wear, no doubt about it. Considering what he went through, he’s a pretty tough fellow. He was lucky.”

Dunn said the man, whose identity has not yet been released, was out bow-hunting moose Tuesday when the incident happened. He was making moose calls and managed to startle a bear cub.

“He scared it and the mother attacked,” said Dunn.

The man managed to shoot the bear and stop it from attacking him before walking five kilometres to call for help. He was airlifted to hospital in Grande Prairie and soon afterward a bear response team was dispatched to look for the animal.

By early afternoon Wednesday, the team came across what they believe to be the animal involved.

“The bear response team has found a Grizzly, dead when they found it. It was about 125 yards away from the scene of the incident,” said Brendan Cox, a spokesman with the province’s solicitor general’s office.

Cox said an autopsy will be done on the female bear to figure out how it died and verify that it was involved in the attack but they believe it was shot.

Officers have decided not to pursue the cub, but believe it has a good chance of survival.

Cox explained that every bear contact situation is dealt with in the same way and DNA may be used to link the animal to the attack.

Dunn said these kinds of attacks are not common.

“There’s definitely grizzly bears around here. As anybody that knows the area, there’s even bears occasionally seen in and around town,” he said.

“But as far as attacks I’m not aware of any that’s recent at all.”

However, Cox said because both Grizzlies and black bears call the area home outdoor enthusiasts should be wary of them.

“Everyone who is out enjoying Alberta’s wilderness, be it hunting or otherwise, should always be carrying bear spray and have it accessible and ready to use at all times and be aware of their surroundings at all times. It is unfortunate this Grizzly Bear was killed,” he said.

“In the Swan Hills district it is a relatively good berry crop this year. There’s been 15 bear occurrences to date. It’s less than other years, but the year’s not over yet.”

According to Cox, there have been 145 instances where people and bears have crossed paths in the area in the past five years. The most occurred in 2010 when 36 encounters were noted.

They range from a simple sighting to a more serious attack.

According to experts, bear encounters come down to two basic factors: resources and threats.

“If bears are having more difficulty finding natural foods because of weather changes affecting things like berry crops, it can often drive them into peripheral agricultural areas where they can access grain at this time of year,” said Stanley Boutin, professor of biological sciences at the University of Alberta.

“The other side of it always is that if we as humans push closer or farther in to where bears are found naturally, that’s obviously going to increase the encounter rate.”

Boutin, who specializes in forestry-wildlife interactions and predator-prey relationships, said the recent case was likely a case of the latter.

“He was in a place where bears were normally found,” he said.

“I think most hunters realize they’re facing that sort of risk.

“It sounds like he didn’t notice (them) — (he) got in between a mother bear and cubs. That threat situation for the bear always leads to a much higher chance of a negative encounter...

“No one’s at fault. It’s certainly not the bear’s fault. She’s obviously reacting to what she perceives as a threat. It’s a natural thing to do.”

When dealing with bears in the wild, he said the best thing to do is give them space and avoid being viewed as a competitor.

“There’s always a recommendation you try and be as big as you can in some ways and a little bit threatening to the bear and hope that makes them decide it’s probably not worth their effort to try and have you as prey because there might be some negative repercussions,” he said.



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This guy joins a pretty select group of people that actually survived a grizzly attack by killing the attacking bear.

Because he killed the bear, as an act of self defence, I have no problem with the bear getting killed, as opposed to C.O.s killing it after-the-fact.

So the hunter survives with battle scars and the cub will hopefully survive.
 
The untold part of the story is how he managed to get a hold of his gun after being attacked. Kudos to one tough MF. Get well wishes to you my lucky friend.
 
The untold part of the story is how he managed to get a hold of his gun after being attacked. Kudos to one tough MF. Get well wishes to you my lucky friend.


Well I just got another version of the story: this time, from my wife's girlfriend, who lives 2 doors down the street from the guy that got attacked. The wife called her friend today to BS and got this version...

I am looking forward to hearing the story from the survivor of this attack, but from what I know, this is the most credible account.

Apparently there were 2 guys, and it was the second guy that shot the bear.

Which makes a lot more sense to me. Cuz how would the guy have been able to shoot the bear, while it was mauling him!?
 
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