Buyers beware "tanker"" garands

Thanks for this link.

A lot of people (myself included) have been saying for many years that NONE of the (very few) originals were ever released.

ALL "Tanker" Grands in circulation are fakes.

And you can say exactly the same thing for the "Tanker Enfields"!

As with the US, Canada DID make up a VERY limited number of Number 4 Lightweight rifles, but they looked nothing like the fake "Tankers" which pop up on the EE at fabulous prices.

Hopefully, somebody with access to one of these TRUE rarities can fill in more detail and possibly a photograph. I have seen exactly ONE and it was in a museum. There ARE an extremely-few in circulation but they have special markings.

BEWARE fakes. They are out there.

Any day now, I expect somebody to offer me a "genuine" Brown Bess Tanker or a Royal Flying Corps Snider or something even more preposterous!
 
The very best defence against "being took" is KNOWLEDGE.

There is lots of GOOD knowledge on the Internet. Wikipedia is getting better all the time, our own CGN is a wealth of straight information (especially in milsurp forum).

In Canada, likely milsurps dot com is the most utterly SOLID source of information. There is a link directly to their Military Knowledge Library in the Stickies at the top of the Index page for this forum. They have hundreds of books and documents available for free download and literally thousands of high-quality close-up photos of extreme rarities in the military line.

Do it right, a few smart clicks can save you several grand.

KNOW what you are buying BEFORE you lay down the ca$h!

Good luck!
 
Thanks for this link.

A lot of people (myself included) have been saying for many years that NONE of the (very few) originals were ever released.

ALL "Tanker" Grands in circulation are fakes.

And you can say exactly the same thing for the "Tanker Enfields"!


As with the US, Canada DID make up a VERY limited number of Number 4 Lightweight rifles, but they looked nothing like the fake "Tankers" which pop up on the EE at fabulous prices.

Hopefully, somebody with access to one of these TRUE rarities can fill in more detail and possibly a photograph. I have seen exactly ONE and it was in a museum. There ARE an extremely-few in circulation but they have special markings.

BEWARE fakes. They are out there.

Any day now, I expect somebody to offer me a "genuine" Brown Bess Tanker or a Royal Flying Corps Snider or something even more preposterous!


So very true !......:wave:
 
And some Receivers were Rewelded and Rebuilt from piles of Demilled M1 Garands for the shooter and collector in the 50's by some firms. (Unmodified, and Modified Garands (Tanker).

Not what I want to own and have blowing up in my face from someone wanting to make a fast buck.
 
Smellie is bang on :) Research it first ( as I know from experience :( ) Here is something that I had in with my books If anyone needs any info from it just ask :) I will help to the best of my ability's :)

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Cheers
Joe
 
While searching for info on the Garand for a new thread(hope to get it ready on weekend) I found this about the "TANKER" Garand, http://www.scott-duff.com/t26.htm as pointed by rifleman1377
The "Tanker Garand" is a "misnomer." During WWII two separate prototypes were developed for paratroop use. The first was the M1E5. The M1E5 had a short barrel and a folding metal stock. It was developed and tested in the Summer of 1944, but then abandoned because of the loud report and large muzzle flash from the short barrel.

In the fall of 1944 the Pacific Warfare Board ordered a test quantity of 150 M1 Rifles to be shortened and tested for jungle and paratroop use. These conversions were rather crudely done in the Pacific Theatre of Operations, either in Australia or the Phillippines. A request was made that Springfield Armory manufacture these shortened M1s, and two were sent by air to the USA for testing.

When the Springfield Armory staff saw the improvised short Garands, they recognized that they were the same as the M1E5 but with a normal wood stock. Thereupon they assembled their own version, designated T26. After testing the same conclusions were drawn as before; the barrel was just too short to be practical. Thus only one T26 was ever made in the USA.

Of the two test rifles sent from the Pacific, one is in the Springfield Armory Museum, and one is reportedly at the West Point Museum. The lone T26 was reported destroyed in testing at the Aberdeen Proving Grounds in Maryland.

Joce
 
About the closest you're going to get to a milsurp Garand Tanker is an Italian BM59 folding stocked/short barreled rifle or a full stock BM62.

The BM series, as most here know, are M1 Garands that have been modified to accept 20 round mags and chambered in 7.62x51 Nato.

I don't know if the receivers are smaller or not. They also came in full auto, at around an 800rpm cyclic rate. That must have been completely useless as it wouldn't be controlable.
 
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I call this my T-26 copy. It works for me just fine as it is.
If you problems with it, the Jerry Kuhnhausen M1 Shop Manual has a ton of information on common problems.
The end of the day, it's just another Garand with a few special parts.
 
Nobody is trying to pass off those Enfield Tankers as something genuine. They are just a rescue of a shortened barrel sporter into something cool for people to own. No claim has ever been made by anyone I've seen that they are genuine.

Thanks for this link.

A lot of people (myself included) have been saying for many years that NONE of the (very few) originals were ever released.

ALL "Tanker" Grands in circulation are fakes.

And you can say exactly the same thing for the "Tanker Enfields"!

As with the US, Canada DID make up a VERY limited number of Number 4 Lightweight rifles, but they looked nothing like the fake "Tankers" which pop up on the EE at fabulous prices.

Hopefully, somebody with access to one of these TRUE rarities can fill in more detail and possibly a photograph. I have seen exactly ONE and it was in a museum. There ARE an extremely-few in circulation but they have special markings.

BEWARE fakes. They are out there.

Any day now, I expect somebody to offer me a "genuine" Brown Bess Tanker or a Royal Flying Corps Snider or something even more preposterous!
 
Nobody is trying to pass off those Enfield Tankers as something genuine. They are just a rescue of a shortened barrel sporter into something cool for people to own. No claim has ever been made by anyone I've seen that they are genuine.


Perhaps so, but they are selling them at prices equivalent to non-bubba'd (and let's be honest here, a well dressed bubba is a bubba none the less) rifles of the same variety. By the same logic, if I dress up a standard No4 with some of the newer, higher end, (T) dressings and list it here, so long as I don't claim that it's original (but at the same time, DON'T state that it's NOT) then that's okay as well?
 
Nobody is trying to pass off those Enfield Tankers as something genuine. They are just a rescue of a shortened barrel sporter into something cool for people to own. No claim has ever been made by anyone I've seen that they are genuine.

Any Tanker is a Bubba and the work was done by Bubba. Price - No Collector Value here. A Fool and their Money Soon Part. A Truck Gun.

That would be as Bad as an All Matching K98 or G33/40 "Tanker"!
 
I guess they look cool, but the muzzle blast would be nasty. I don't know where the name "Tanker" came from in the first place. I suspect that it is a marketting gimick going back to the late '50s/early '60s when these civvy conversions started being sold. Space inside a tank is very tight, so a shortened rifle for every crewman would be an impossible clutter to deal with. That's why tank crews were issued pistols and SMGs instead of rifles.
 
Usually they falsely refer to such shortened rifles as "tanker" rifles because there have been actual cases where standard size rifles were shortened and specialized further for personal weapons of tank crews as they work in very tight quarters in any armoured vehicle.

The idea that any M1 Garands or Lee Enfileds were shortened into stubbies to arm tank crews in WW2 is laughable lol
 
A tank crew fights with the main gun and co-ax MG, and to a lesser extent, with a flex mount MG on the turret. Personal weapons are mainly intended for protection when dismounted, defence of a harbour area at night, and assisting crewmen to get away from a knocked out or disabled tank. The Sterling SMG that we were issued was ideal for these purposes.
 
Lets not forget the tanker enfield revolvers. removing the hammer spur was a production shortcut so it could only be used double action. The usual holster SWALLOWED the revolver with only the grips sticking out so thinking the hammer spur could catch on anything was ridiculous, but the dealers needed a gimmick to sell them.
 
Some "tanker" garands were made using springfield receivers and Italian 308 BM 59 parts. Short barrel/short op rod with wood. I have two barrels and op rods and new italian 308 wood that was used to do this.
 
Any Tanker is a Bubba and the work was done by Bubba. Price - No Collector Value here. A Fool and their Money Soon Part. A Truck Gun.

That would be as Bad as an All Matching K98 or G33/40 "Tanker"!
I also have a SA VAR barrelled M1 Garand.
The short one is just another Garand that I own.

Your collecting taste is just another differing interest than mine. This fact does not make me any less of a firearm owner than you are.

Haters gotta hate.
 
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"Haters gotta hate".

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Now we're HATERS because we don't approve of what Bubba does to a gun?

Let's get REAL. It's hardly a religious or racial or ###ual-orientation issue. It's not even a Nazi or Communist or Jihadist or (Heaven forbid!) NDP issue.

As to the rifle shown, it is very pretty and likely it is handy in the woods.

But ORIGINAL it AIN'T.

There: I suppose that makes me a "hater" too.
 
I just bought a hacksaw ($12) and some cold blue (another $14) and a couple of files (2 x $4) and a set of number punches ($9.95 plus tax).

Right now I am in the market for some beat-up 98 Mausers.

If anyone wants an ultra-rare G33/40 PROTOTYPE (made n the wrong factory in the wrong year, mind you) I will have some next week.

If you have ENOUGH money, I might even be able to find you one made in Brazil in 1954!!!!!! AND it's in .30-'06!!!!!!!!!!!

Of course, this is NOT to be construed as a commercial announcement. Nobody HERE would do THAT.


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