AR, TAR or Vector ...?

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thinking about getting one of these rifles, help me out with some pros/cons and personal experiences with them. thanks
 
Just my 2 cents.
AR pro-universality of parts, ergonomics, availability, cheap to shoot, limitless upgradability/mods, entry level can be very affordable,fun to shoot!!
Cons-everyone has one,(not even sure if that is a con, but if you are looking for something special ...just another AR), restricted

TAR pro-more unique, cheap to shoot, non restricted, cheap to shoot, compact
Cons-less mods available, relatively expensive, I would say less ergonomic than an AR, I thought the trigger was poor for the price of the gun

Vector pro uber cool, choice of non, or rest, depending on what's important to you as the individual, takes widely available Glock mags, as opposed to some other sub guns on the market, choice of calibres
Cons-price, ergonomics
I haven't shot the semi kriss, only the fa in the US, so thats all I can offer, coincidently, my avatar pic is me in Ohio with the fa kriss, notce the smile lol

I'm sure they may be varying opinions to mine - mine of course are based off my experience, and what I find find important when gun shopping.
 
The Vector won't have near the range of the other two. In fact I don't call the vector a "rifle" per se because its shooting .45

On the other hand, if you want to hunt with it . . . that would be pretty cool.
 
Skip the ar until you have other non restricted black rifles first. If you only own a ar and the ndp or libs gain a majority you can kiss your ar goodbye and any future black rifle purchase. If you own a tavor or a kriss now then well you dont really own one as they are currently non restricted.:p get the tavor as they are battle proven. I named mine the palestinian punisher.
 
TV-PressPass said:
The Vector won't have near the range of the other two. In fact I don't call the vector a "rifle" per se because its shooting .45

On the other hand, if you want to hunt with it . . . that would be pretty cool.
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I call it a rifle because it has a stock and its in.45...deadly out to 50M...havent tried it at 100M yet but hopefully will be able to soon.
I also think the Tavor is an excellent rifle ...sure do enjoy shooting mine
 
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The Vector won't have near the range of the other two. In fact I don't call the vector a "rifle" per se because its shooting .45
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jjort said:
I call it a rifle because it has a stock and its in.45...deadly out to 50M...havent tried it at 100M yet but hopefully will be able to soon.
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This does not make it a rifle. Some might refer to it as a carbine maybe, but it's a sub machine gun (ours in semi auto only), certainly not what I or anyone in there right mind would call a rifle.

In answer to the OP, I think the Tavor is the coolest package, if you can live with the atrocious trigger, that apparently cannot be modified. Then if range shooting is all you do then AR all the way
 
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The key thing I think is that the OP will find a substantial difference in useage, power and range between .45 and .223

They're different calibers. So they don't "directly compare" in the same way.
 
Steve Janes said:
This does not make it a rifle. Some might refer to it as a carbine maybe, but it's a sub machine gun (ours in semi auto only), certainly not what I or anyone in there right mind would call a rifle.
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Definition: A rifle is a firearm designed to be fired from the shoulder, which fires a single projectile (bullet) through a barrel which contains spiral grooves in its bore. But I call it a banana
 
If you actually shoot anywhere else besides a firearms range and have access to vast areas to go run around with your Tavor and you don't fear some local idiot calling the police on you thinking you have a machine gun then definitely the Tavor is a great option. Other wise the AR being restricted is a mute point...Also it depends on you're budget and also consider accessories/optics as well. Hell there are amazing prices for AR's right now from Armalites too Core defense just over a $1000 bucks. LMT and DD(Probably the best for price ever) rifles are awesome and the last Stag I held was pretty amazing too, in 2012 we have the best options for AR's ever. You can always go all out pick up a Noveske or KAC rifle as well too, and do consider all the options on the EE as well, there are some real deals there too.
 
jjort said:
Definition: A rifle is a firearm designed to be fired from the shoulder, which fires a single projectile (bullet) through a barrel which contains spiral grooves in its bore. But I call it a banana
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Ok Wikipedia!!!:p

Do you call a Glock pistol a rifle too, once it has a Tactical Stock attached?:rolleyes: What about a Thompson Sub-Machine Gun, that a rifle too?

Think what you want.
 
If you actually shoot anywhere else besides a firearms range and have access to vast areas to go run around with your Tavor and you don't fear some local idiot calling the police on you thinking you have a machine gun then definitely the Tavor is a great option.
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This sums up my life.
 
Steve Janes said:
Ok Wikipedia!!!:p

Do you call a Glock pistol a rifle too, once it has a Tactical Stock attached?:rolleyes: What about a Thompson Sub-Machine Gun, that a rifle too?

Think what you want.
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add a stock to a pistol it becomes a carbine (glock carbine kit)...

carbine is a rifle, but there may be confusion at times because different versions of some models (the Winchester Model 1894 comes to mind) are often referred to as "rifle" or "carbine," depending on barrel length. Rest assured that while all carbines are rifles, not all rifles are carbines.
Thank you, I will think what I want...like I said before It's a banana
 
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So by your definition any sub machine gun, is also a carbine, which automatically makes it a rifle? I'm just trying to understand now?

Seriously though, all the joking and attitude aside, I just don't understand what makes a Sub Machine Gun that fires pistol cartridges into a rifle?
 
Steve Janes said:
So by your definition any sub machine gun, is also a carbine, which automatically makes it a rifle? I'm just trying to understand now?

Seriously though, all the joking and attitude aside, I just don't understand what makes a Sub Machine Gun that fires pistol cartridges into a rifle?
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what you have to realize is that its only a definition......A rifle is a broad umbrella term that a lot of firearms fall under...so you have long barreled rifles, short barreled rifles(carbines), short automatic rifles.(sub machine guns)..etc
calibre is not relevant.......Now that being said....would a Kriss be considered a "normal" rifle?.....no, of course not.... again, its just a definition.
Back to the original post....kind of hi-jacked this (sorry) but all three of the "firearms" :) that you are inquiring about are a lot of fun to own and shoot. I seriously doubt you would be disappointed with any of those choices except if you decide on an AR be prepared to spend hours researching which one you want and the accessories you will need. (thats a whole new ball game as well)
 
Just for the non-restricted benefit, i would go with a Tavor.
If it was an all out SHTF EOTWAWKI scenario, I would feel better knowing I had an AR in my collection.
The Kriss is cool, but it has it's limitations compared to the other two.
If you want something with more of an AR look and feel but still non-restricted, look at the XCR platform.
 
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Just for the non-restricted benefit, i would go with a Tavor.
If it was an all out SHTF EOTWAWKI scenario, I would feel better knowing I had an AR in my collection.
The Kriss is cool, but it has it's limitations compared to the other two.
If you want something with more of an AR look and feel but still non-restricted, look at the XCR platform.
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I'd recommend all 3. ;) But if a person only had to get one, it would be the Tavor due to the sheer durability and reliability.
 
I got a Kriss for NR but still go to the indoor range, as the indoor in my area is limited to pistol calibres. Tavor or XCR would be next on my list then AR ( based on ability to shoot in more areas).
 
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