Civie is not a derogatory term. Many civilian outfits have "civie Friday" casual day. Call a rifle whatever you want, it's still just a rifle. Get down to the difference between a marksman, a sharpshooter, and a sniper. There are only a handful of military snipers in Canada. The others are either marksmen or sharpshooters. The cops have sharpshooters and marksmen, but not what the military terms "sniper." They can call that person a sniper, but they're not. A sniper is a killing machine like no other. A sniper will shoot any target when ordered, without question. A cop (who is a civie, by the way, they are civil authorities) or the likes will hesitate, get hung up on ethics, and botch the shot. The only real sniper I ever met, Blain Montroy, RCR, did tours in Cyprus and other places. Snipers will not eat, go potty, wear depends if they have to, do whatever it takes, and they'll shoot anything when ordered, without question or hesitation. No cop will do that. No "civie" will do that. I have carried a C7 and a Sig on the job, and they were "weapons" under those circumstances, not "sporting arms." When I got to the range with my Vaquero, it's a sporting arm, not meant for killing people. A golf club is a weapon when used as such. When the terms become blurred, then attitudes become blurred. That leads people on both sides to get upset. In seven years I'll be a civie again, with hair and hands in my pocket while chewing gum.
Why are civi shooters so concerned with the word `sniper`
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Civie is not a derogatory term. Many civilian outfits have "civie Friday" casual day. Call a rifle whatever you want, it's still just a rifle. Get down to the difference between a marksman, a sharpshooter, and a sniper. There are only a handful of military snipers in Canada. The others are either marksmen or sharpshooters. The cops have sharpshooters and marksmen, but not what the military terms "sniper." They can call that person a sniper, but they're not. A sniper is a killing machine like no other. A sniper will shoot any target when ordered, without question. A cop (who is a civie, by the way, they are civil authorities) or the likes will hesitate, get hung up on ethics, and botch the shot. The only real sniper I ever met, Blain Montroy, RCR, did tours in Cyprus and other places. Snipers will not eat, go potty, wear depends if they have to, do whatever it takes, and they'll shoot anything when ordered, without question or hesitation. No cop will do that. No "civie" will do that. I have carried a C7 and a Sig on the job, and they were "weapons" under those circumstances, not "sporting arms." When I got to the range with my Vaquero, it's a sporting arm, not meant for killing people. A golf club is a weapon when used as such. When the terms become blurred, then attitudes become blurred. That leads people on both sides to get upset. In seven years I'll be a civie again, with hair and hands in my pocket while chewing gum.
A crown Vic might not be a police car in private ovnership, but I'll be damned if I atop hitting the brakes just in case. ;p
We dont want to call our precision rifles "sniper rifles", for the same reason we dont call CZ-858's "assault rifles" , or snub nose model 10's " saturday night specials" or TNW 1919's "machine guns", we are making an attempt at diffusing the use of these terms so we dont give the Anti's any more public support to convince the next government that we shouldnt be allowed to own " sniper rifles", or "machine guns" or "assault rifles" etc. Those of you who don't think it makes a difference or just want to sound cool, just you wait, youll wish you hadn't when they end up in the next OIC to be prohibited or your neighbour calls the cops and the swat team shows up to take away " your millitary sniper rifle" that they heard you boasting about.
While I understand the logic behind this, it would only be a matter of time before (I hate this word) the "gun-grabbers" start coming for your "Precision rifles" and "Black and green rifles and shotguns" if this kind of mentality is used.
Changing the name can be a great way to temporarily stay off or at least low on the radar of what can very easily be a loaded word to some, but the real root of the problem is educating Canadians that just because a gun has some black plasic, a pistol grip, or a "bananna magazine" makes no difference to how the actual firearm operates. A gun is a gun is a gun, and they all work the exact same way regardless of physical appearance. Period.
Wow, some one likes to tell you tales. You need to step back and get more information before becoming an expert on military snipers. Meeting "one" does not quailify you to make the broad sweeping generilzations you have, assuming the person you meet was actually a sniper.
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I've read a lot of dumb stuff on here but I think this is probably ranks right up there with the dumbest stuff I've ever read.
I definetly agree. Educating Canadians that a gun is a gun, and that licensed owners are not a threat is more important that wordsmithing terms. But I still think that keeping the terms like "sniper rifle" out of our vocublary might somehow keep these rifles off the radars of the Antis and off of the list of things to fear by average Canadians. The term "precision" certainly does not arouse the same fear mongering as "sniper" does. We don't want average Canadians supporting anti gun measures simply because they think the term "sniper rifle" means to them that these guns are designed and used only for the purpose of killing babies in your neighbourhood. Precision rifle can be justified more in the minds of average Canadians as a gun used for target practice and competitive shooting, even though its the exact same gun as some might call a "sniper rifle".
Just my thoughts anyway. Education ofcourse is key in the long run. We can't hide behind candy coated terms forever.
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Read up on the Washington Beltway Sniper.
The terms used to describe them (2 guys involved....?) was mentally unstable, anti social type stuff. All that reflected on being called a sniper. There is a public stigma that goes with the term.
So yeah........... I LOVE talking about sniper rifles in and around non shooting types.
The terms used to describe them (2 guys involved....?) was mentally unstable, anti social type stuff. All that reflected on being called a sniper. There is a public stigma that goes with the term.
So yeah........... I LOVE talking about sniper rifles in and around non shooting types.
Read up on the Washington Beltway Sniper.
The terms used to describe them (2 guys involved....?) was mentally unstable, anti social type stuff. All that reflected on being called a sniper. There is a public stigma that goes with the term.
So yeah........... I LOVE talking about sniper rifles in and around non shooting types.
I completely agree.
For the sake of our sport and the fate of gun ownership in this country, can we all just agree to leave the term " sniper rifle" out of our vocabulary when referring to our guns?
Then you should leave gun out of it too. they are tools after all. I think we (Some gun owners, there I said it, guns.) get our panties in more of a twist than 90% of Canadians do over firearms. Most of them couldn't give a rats ass. My wife works for the feds and as I've previously mentioned, was one day lamenting the assinine gun laws here, most of her coworkers were shocked. They thought she packed a pistol in her purse daily. None of them gave it a second thought by the way.
Well we all read the retarted Anti gun articles that get posted on this site. You never hear Ron Charach ranting and raving about " Auto Loading" pistols or ranting on about how the HS.50 "precision rifle" aught to be banned, or how police sieze "Auto Loading carbines". Nope, we always hear the same terms, "Assault rifle", "Sniper Rifle", "Automatic Handguns" and these are the terms that cause fear mongering amongst the general public and can drum up support for bans. We would prefer to not agree with them on thier incorrect terms or even further strereotypes about ourselves. That why the use of the term "Weapon" for our firearms is not only incorrect but is going to bite us in the ass one day. They arent weapons unless they are used as such, just like "sniper rifles". The term firearm is the least threatening sounding and should be used more often in our sport. The media needs to make the biggest change when it comes to terms, but they wont, because they are all trying to cause the most fear mongering and anti gun support.
If I get behind the wheel of a police car does it turn into just a crown vic? Or does an F1 car just turn into a sports car? If you wiki "sniper rifle" and not just "sniper" it has a whole list of them. Sorry, but a PGW Timberwolf IS a sniper rifle, along with many others like the TRG and AI rifles. I agree with the poster who said education is the key. Political correctness is not.
Screw the titles. Can a firearm hit the target at the range for which it was designed to fire at? Yes or no? Really, that's the biggest thing that matters to us as gunnutz. But, I do agree with having to deal with the whole public fear mongering issue as well.
