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augie15

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Hello there folks,

What does the rules say about carrying more then one gun? I have a Savage O/U in .22 WMR and 20 guage that can be taken apart and put in a backpack. Could I carry that gun in my pack for partridge and small game and carry my .308 for deer? Can I hunt "carrying" more then one gun?

Edit : I am in Ontario and have valid tags for both small game and deer

Edit 2: Could I strap the O/u or .308 to my pack for easy access? Or would it have to be taken down?


Brett
 
Dukester said:
Got the reg that says only one loaded at a time?
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Good Lord .. do you really need to see a regulation to enforce the bleeding obvious? What the hell can you do with two loaded firearms when you can only shoot one at a time (hunting, not CAS or the like)? Having two loaded would leave one loaded and not under your direct control.
 
TPK said:
What the hell can you do with two loaded firearms
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You could do some badass movie shooting, where they don't really aim, but hit the top of a bottle off at 300 yards while spinning around in circles blindfolded with a broken leg and two guys on their back
 
TPK said:
Good Lord .. do you really need to see a regulation to enforce the bleeding obvious? What the hell can you do with two loaded firearms when you can only shoot one at a time (hunting, not CAS or the like)? Having two loaded would leave one loaded and not under your direct control.
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While I understand there are folks out there with severe limitations on their abilities and if that is the case with you then no offence intended, but carrying and controlling more than one firearm at a time is not so difficult. I did it for a living for a time.

I often carry both a .50 muzzle loader and a 870 during the controlled hunt. ( 2 very different firearms that I use knowing their limitations).

I party hunt.( Trying to keep this simple).

On the internet , where every mouthy ignoramus seems to need to blather off about the law as they "interpret it", it is best to ask for the specific reg .

Up until someone quotes me a law saying I cannot carry 2 legal for the purpose firearms I will continue to do so.
 
Dukester said:
...Up until someone quotes me a law saying I cannot carry 2 legal for the purpose firearms I will continue to do so.
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Stupid is as stupid does, play what ever scenario you want, you can only shoot one long gun at a time and therefore should only have ONE loaded at a time. Exceptions would be a holstered handgun for wilderness protection but then we're talking a long gun and a hand gun, not two long guns. Where is the "other" loaded long gun when you're holding one?

This has NOTHING to do with ones ability or inability, it has to do with common sense and ethics, both of which are sadly lacking in your "party" hunt if you're loading two long guns.
 
No scenario. RL not the internet.

Suppose you googled your self silly looking for a "law" to make you right. Sorry, in answer to the OP's question, no law.

Ethics??? Grab at straws much?? lol
 
Dukester said:
...Ethics??? Grab at straws much?? lol
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Then answer my questions. Where is the "other" loaded firearm when you're holding one? Or do you leave BOTH loaded and unattended? Do you leave one loaded and in a scabbord or? Please explain (in simple terms of course ..) how you safely and ethically handle two loaded long guns at the same time. Again, just becasue you don't "see" a law or reg that says you can't doesn't mean you should.

Let me be simple .. Ethics = You only load a firearm when you intend to shoot it and only in an area that it can legally be discharged. Once a firearm is loaded you do not set it down or let it out of your DIRECT control.
 
LOL, I might not be holding either one!! Think of the children!! And the puppies!!!

Call your MP to get a law made!! lol
 
Damn .. I have to conceed on this one as I just thought of a scenario that is likely quite common .. You have your Deer/Moose .. rifle with a charged magazine (though no round chambered .. safety first of course) on your back on a sling (the firearm is considered loaded by legal definition though nothing is in the chamber) while you walk with a loaded shotgun in your hands. That way if you flush some birds you're good to go and if you see a Deer, Moose, what ever critter may require the "other" firearm, you can unload the one you're carrying and switch. hmmm Similar variations of this scenario would still fly. Damn.

I assumed (yes that old saying would hang on me appropriately about now ..) that when someone says I am hunting with two loaded long guns .. that one must be out of your direct control and therefore should not be loaded.

I hate being wrong .. doubly so on a Friday afternoon.

Yes, the children and puppies must be protected at all costs ... if it saves just one life.
 
I asked a CO one time about carrying 2 firearms when hunting. The scenario I gave him was, could I carry a rifle to go coyote hunting, and carry a shotgun to shoot over passing geese. (A hunt I had done several times before) His response was no, this was illegal due to the fact that you must use non-lead ammo for geese, and my rifle bullets would have lead in them. I said what if I use all copper bullets in the rifle I was carrying, containing no lead. He didn't really have an answer for that, lol. He just said, it would be best if I didn't do it, because in his opinion it was illegal.
He did however say that as far as deer hunting, coyote hunting, moose, etc. carrying 2 rifles was fine. He said even bow hunting for deer, legally you could carry a rifle for predators, but you would open yourself up for a lot of questions if stopped.
This was in Ontario, not sure of other provinces.
 
Dukester said:
... On the internet , where every mouthy ignoramus seems to need to blather off about the law as they "interpret it", it is best to ask for the specific reg.

Up until someone quotes me a law saying I cannot carry 2 legal for the purpose firearms I will continue to do so.
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Guilty of above, my apologies Dukester.... and that's a good bit of advice right there.
 
TPK said:
Good Lord .. do you really need to see a regulation to enforce the bleeding obvious? What the hell can you do with two loaded firearms when you can only shoot one at a time (hunting, not CAS or the like)? Having two loaded would leave one loaded and not under your direct control.
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While that is indeed not a smart idea, show me where it says it's illegal?

I often have my marlin 795ss (.22lr) with a full mag loaded and safetied and slung over my shoulder for rabbits, grouse etc and my savage 110 (.30.06) in my hands loaded for deer elk, moose or any other big game I have a tag for. 2 long guns both loaded, both in my control and completely safe.

Also I shoot 3 gun matches. not often but on 1 or 2 COF I have started with my pistol loaded and holstered. My rifle loaded and slung and my shotgun loaded in my hands (or a variation). 3 guns loaded in my control.



It was stated earlier that 2 loaded guns is illegal for bird hunting. If that's true I wouldn't know as I don't bird hunt. If it's not illegal though I don't see why you couldn't have 2 (or more) shotguns loaded to their 2+1 capacity so that when the flock comes by you can fill your tags all in one go. Bang bang bang, switch gun, bang bang bang, switch gun, etc etc. Caution has to be taken yes, but not much more than 1 gun. Some people are comfortable and confident and able enough to handle more than 1 gun at a time and some shouldn't even handle one. Just how things go.


Basically, so long as the person with the gun(s) knows what they are doing 100% no one will be hurt. So long as it isn't illegal and you can be safe do whatever you think you need to do.

YMMV
 
TPK said:
Guilty of above, my apologies Dukester.... and that's a good bit of advice right there.
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You are a better man than most to be able to roll something over in your head and reassess your position on the internet. Apologies not needed, I heard where you were coming from.

In most instances it makes no sense at all to carry 2 firearms but in my situation, where I only get to use my muzzle loader one week a year, and I am good to 150 or so yards with it, I found it a neat addition to my controlled hunt options.

Shot a huge doe with it at about 130 yards last year and brought the shotgun up to take a fawn that appeared closer running toward me but friggin blue smoke blocked getting a good look at it through scope! lol

I can see where others would see an advantage to carrying 2 firearms as well, the last thing we need is more laws. ( This all applies to Ontario guys, some provinces prohibit carrying 2 guns ).
 
TPK said:
Let me be simple .. Ethics = You only load a firearm when you intend to shoot it and only in an area that it can legally be discharged. Once a firearm is loaded you do not set it down or let it out of your DIRECT control.
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I think it is a good idea for anyone wanting to use the word "ethics" in an internet argument to take 1 minute and look up the actual meaning of the word......
 
I often hunt with 2 firearms. My 2506 loaded and waiting on a bipod in front of me and a sxs 12ga loaded with #4 buck. I hunt coyotes using this setup. The field is 1km long and I plunk my ass on the ditch bank in the snow. If I see a coyote out in the field I make the rifle shot. If the smart lil bastards sneak downwind of me on the ice I use the scatter gun.

Having a loaded rifle during an open bow season can lead to issues as there are limits on what you can carry. The regs are almost clear on this. Example. Moose archery season is during the bear season in ontario. Legally I can moose hunt with my bow and rifle hunt for bear. The laws say I can not carry a rifle greater muzzle energy then basically a 22lr while archery hunting. Some COs would charge me even if I were hunting over bait for bear because I hold a valid archery moose tag. Some COs say what ever you're hunting you're hunting. Great eh!
I believe the wording prohibiting 2 guns for waterfowl is found in the migratory game bird act of which I do not own a copy of
 
brybenn said:
I often hunt with 2 firearms. My 2506 loaded and waiting on a bipod in front of me and a sxs 12ga loaded with #4 buck. I hunt coyotes using this setup. The field is 1km long and I plunk my ass on the ditch bank in the snow. If I see a coyote out in the field I make the rifle shot. If the smart lil bastards sneak downwind of me on the ice I use the scatter gun.

Having a loaded rifle during an open bow season can lead to issues as there are limits on what you can carry. The regs are almost clear on this. Example. Moose archery season is during the bear season in ontario. Legally I can moose hunt with my bow and rifle hunt for bear. The laws say I can not carry a rifle greater muzzle energy then basically a 22lr while archery hunting. Some COs would charge me even if I were hunting over bait for bear because I hold a valid archery moose tag. Some COs say what ever you're hunting you're hunting. Great eh!
I believe the wording prohibiting 2 guns for waterfowl is found in the migratory game bird act of which I do not own a copy of
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Yes, good post. Overlapping seasons and overlapping regs can become confusing ! Thats why I kept it generic with the lawful purpose phrase. We need fewer laws ffs.
 
Fire306 said:
I asked a CO one time about carrying 2 firearms when hunting. The scenario I gave him was, could I carry a rifle to go coyote hunting, and carry a shotgun to shoot over passing geese. (A hunt I had done several times before) His response was no, this was illegal due to the fact that you must use non-lead ammo for geese, and my rifle bullets would have lead in them. I said what if I use all copper bullets in the rifle I was carrying, containing no lead. He didn't really have an answer for that, lol. He just said, it would be best if I didn't do it, because in his opinion it was illegal.
He did however say that as far as deer hunting, coyote hunting, moose, etc. carrying 2 rifles was fine. He said even bow hunting for deer, legally you could carry a rifle for predators, but you would open yourself up for a lot of questions if stopped.
This was in Ontario, not sure of other provinces.
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For Ontario, have a look on pg 32 of the 2012 Hunting Regulations Summery. A somewhat friendly CO pointed it out when he saw a crossbow and a rifle in the truck while we were archery hunting Moose 2 weeks ago in area 8. There was also an open rifle season for Bears and that is what the rifle was for. He said put either one in a case as you can legaly only hunt 1 species at a time. When asked about keeping a 20ga uncased for birds, he said its ok as bird shot couldn't be used on a moose.

I put the rifle in a sock and he was happy. I then asked him if I saw a bear, could I jump out of the truck, whip off the sock, load the rifle and shoot the bear. He said no problem even though that puts me back in the same situation I started with when the rifle wasn't in a sock. Hard to figure them out sometimes........
 
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