Krinker Plinker - Are you actually turning your 10/22 into a Restricted Firearm?

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I noticed something interesting about my friend's Krinker Plinker the other day...

In the Canadian Firearms Programs fact sheet, a definition of a restricted firearm includes "a firearm that is designed or adapted to be fired when reduced to a length of less than 660 mm by folding, telescoping or otherwise" (660mm is 26 inches)

The Krinker Plinker kit with the longer of the two barrels available (16"), when the stock is folded, is less than 24" total length and is capable of being fired when folded..

I know a few people with them in Canada, but I think by installing a Krinker Plinker kit you are technically turning your Ruger 10/22 into a Restricted firearm.

My close friend and I have since pinned the stock in an always unfolded position so we can still go up into the woods with it and not worry about anything if we get checked.

I've seen used 10/22s with the Krinker Plinker folding stock on used racks at a stores in Vancouver, listed as Non-Restricted.

Has nobody but me ever noticed this before or am I missing something here?
 
Or prohibited.... :)

Definition of a prohibited firearm

According to the Criminal Code, a prohibited firearm is:

a handgun that
has a barrel equal to or less than 105 mm in length, or
is designed or adapted to discharge a 25 or 32 calibre cartridge, but does not include any such handgun that is prescribed, where the handgun is for use in international sporting competitions governed by the rules of the International Shooting Union,

a firearm that is adapted from a rifle or shotgun, whether by sawing, cutting or any other alteration, and that, as so adapted,
is less than 660 mm in length, or
is 660 mm or greater in length and has a barrel less than 457 mm in length,

an automatic firearm, whether or not it has been altered to discharge only one projectile with one pressure of the trigger, or
any firearm that is prescribed to be a prohibited firearm
 
Hitzy
I dont think swapping a shorter stock makes the rifle prohib because before the death of the LGR there were quite a few 10/22s registered as restricted. Hical did one in a BC folder w/ 8" Dlask barrel that was restricted IIRC. I have seen a few others. I think doing things like sawing off the butt and ending up with a firearm less than 660mm OAL would fit the prohib description. Maybe its just a means of charging criminals caught with so-modified firearms? Or doing these mods and not notifying the CFC and re-registering? Sounds like gray area to me, hopefully someone can clarify.
 
In my understanding,
by permanently installing the fake can
(by means of a cross pin, or epoxy, or dead screw, or whatever),
the gun will make the 26" with the stock folded.
And yes, I remember I have measured one to make sure, about 5 years ago.
 
mlehtovaara said:
If it folds below 26 inches, yes, it is restricted.

This is why many people pin, or weld such stocks, or telescoping stocks in the extended positions.

YOu got it figured out. ;)
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Seems slightly sketchy when I've seen them used, for sale, un pinned, with removable fake supressor. Glad I noticed before I ended up in jail!
 
Manufacturing from scratch would result in a restricted, "the any alteration" part of prohibited weapon is pretty open to interpretation....

supernova said:
Hitzy
I dont think swapping a shorter stock makes the rifle prohib because before the death of the LGR there were quite a few 10/22s registered as restricted. Hical did one in a BC folder w/ 8" Dlask barrel that was restricted IIRC. I have seen a few others. I think doing things like sawing off the butt and ending up with a firearm less than 660mm OAL would fit the prohib description. Maybe its just a means of charging criminals caught with so-modified firearms? Or doing these mods and not notifying the CFC and re-registering? Sounds like gray area to me, hopefully someone can clarify.
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Its so retarded in this country that just changing the look of your gun can place it in a different class. The kit doesnt change anything mechanicly, does it? It seems like some politicians have seriously warped minds.
 
^^ that would be an understatement. If someone wanted a short gun to commit a crime there is nothing stopping them from just sawing off the stock and barrel. Its not like a criminal is going to think "darn, guess I cant use a short gun to commit a crime since shortening my gun will make it restricted and I dont have a restricted license... foiled again".

Good people like us, who abide by the law, are the only ones restricted by the law BECAUSE we are the only ones who abide by it. This illogic applies to nearly every gun limitation we have and so far, the only victory ive seen over the stupidity is killing the LGR.
 
Dr.Lector said:
In my understanding,
by permanently installing the fake can
(by means of a cross pin, or epoxy, or dead screw, or whatever),
the gun will make the 26" with the stock folded.
And yes, I remember I have measured one to make sure, about 5 years ago.
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If I'm not mistaken, barrel length is technically measured including only the rifled portion?? I believe this is the correct way to measure a rifled barrel. Whether the oAL does include portions other than the rifled barrel is not clear to me??

I think the OAL length is the physical dimension of the gun without anything that can be removed when it is capable of firing?
 
I also find it confusing that the RCMP website lists "semi-automatic, centre-fire rifles and shotguns with a barrel shorter than 470 mm" as a Restricted Firearm.

Does that mean centre-fire rifles and shotguns that are ALSO semi-automatics, or is that a list of three things that cannot have a barrel shorter than 470mm (18.5")?
 
xenyx said:
I also find it confusing that the RCMP website lists "semi-automatic, centre-fire rifles and shotguns with a barrel shorter than 470 mm" as a Restricted Firearm.

Does that mean centre-fire rifles and shotguns that are ALSO semi-automatics, or is that a list of three things that cannot have a barrel shorter than 470mm (18.5")?
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semi-automatic, centre-fire are adjective for rifles and shotguns.

If its semi auto and centre-fire the barrel can't be shorter than 470 mm.
 
Correct me if I'm wrong here, but a firearm can have a barrel shorter than 18" and still be non-restricted if it COMES from the manufacturer that way. example being a ruger sr-22 with a 16.5" barrel, is non-restricted because it came from the manufacturer as a non-restricted firearm with that length of barrel. Another good example is the Rossi Ranch Hand. Clearly shorter than 18.5", but still classified as NR.

But what if you (or your gunsmith) were to put a 8" barrel on that sr-22, and fix a longer stock to it making it no shorter than 26"? That's a muddy puddle in need of clarification.
 
You can swap factory made barrels all you want. On anything other than a semiauto centerfire, only overall length is important. You can swap any length barrel into an SR-22 or any other rimfire rifle and it remains non-restricted so long as overall length remains 660mm or greater with the stock collapsed to its shortest position. I have a 10/22 in an NEA-22 chassis with a 9" barrel and the stock blocked to only allow it to collapse to the third position. Its about 26.5" IIRC and non-restricted.

NewAgeRanger said:
Correct me if I'm wrong here, but a firearm can have a barrel shorter than 18" and still be non-restricted if it COMES from the manufacturer that way. example being a ruger sr-22 with a 16.5" barrel, is non-restricted because it came from the manufacturer as a non-restricted firearm with that length of barrel. Another good example is the Rossi Ranch Hand. Clearly shorter than 18.5", but still classified as NR.

But what if you (or your gunsmith) were to put a 8" barrel on that sr-22, and fix a longer stock to it making it no shorter than 26"? That's a muddy puddle in need of clarification.
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pavmentsurfer said:
Good people like us, who abide by the law, are the only ones restricted by the law BECAUSE we are the only ones who abide by it. This illogic applies to nearly every gun limitation we have and so far, the only victory ive seen over the stupidity is killing the LGR.
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I could say the same thing about speed limits for vehicles. By your logic, we should just throw out all laws because there are always some people who ignore them. That's illogical as well.

The fact is, the existence of those laws and restrictions is what enables prosecution of people who are caught disobeying them.

I always get a kick out of how much emphasis people place on not having to register their firearms, yet its far more likely you'll kill someone with your car, or violate the law with your vehicle in some way, and you have no problem registering it in your name.
 
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