AR15/AR10/Black Rifle List (25-Dec Update)

I hate these "tier" anything discussions.

What qualifies you to assign some sort of quality to the various manufacturers? What research have you done, what parameters must they meet in order to be in a certain tier?

At least you finally realize that Colt exists, you seem to have forgetten about them in most of your polls.

Bushmaster thrown in with NEA? WTF, I'd say that not even Norinco deserves to be lumped in with them.
 
Leg said:
Bushmaster thrown in with NEA? WTF, I'd say that not even Norinco deserves to be lumped in with them.
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Guessing you're not an NEA fan then? ;)

jmiddy said:
LOL hate the tier ****! If it goes bang its good in my book, Safe Queens my rifles are not.
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It's more a casual grouping based on overall quality, cost, reliability and features. I'd also say that a lot of the differences between "tiers" are marginal, at best (with the possible exception of some of the Tier 1 rifles which have outstanding barrels).
 
blaxsun said:
Tier 1: ... Colt-Diemaco . HK . Knight . LWRC . Noveske-VLTOR
Tier 2: ... Adcor . Barrett . BCM . DD . LMT . POF . PWS . Stag
Tier 3: ... Armalite . Core15 . DPMS . RRA . S&W . Spikes . Windham
Tier 0: ... Shrubmaster . NEA . Norc
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Did I miss anything? Adjustments (±) for any? Thanks.
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LOL - I think you would get as many different answers to this questions as there are thread participants.

For example, reading your thread, I immediately thought - Which production time period for Bushmaster? They had some bad years, but there were very good production runs as well. Lately, for example, Bushmaster=DPMS=Remington as they are now all made by the same folks with the same parts.

I also would put Armalite in the Tier 2 bracket these days. They are using Aero Precision receivers and better quality parts now - they aren't the same Eagle Arms junk they used to be.

Based on the last tow rifles I owned, I would also now put DD down in tier 3 - the fit and finish on the rifles I had were atrocious. The Stag product was MUCH better fit and finished though both ran about the same. Spikes makes SOME models that could easily be in Tier 2.

I would put CORE15 next to NEA and Norc. I've only seen two, both were poorly assembled and one would not fire out of the box.

Is all this subjective? HELL YEAH! Not everyone's experience and viewpoint will match you list ;)

One thing we CAN agree on though is that CF and US Gov contractors are all tier 1 as they build to the M16 TDP - no exceptions. In this category you missed FN.
 
Claven2 said:
Is all this subjective? HELL YEAH! Not everyone's experience and viewpoint will match you list ;)

One thing we CAN agree on though is that CF and US Gov contractors are all tier 1 as they build to the M16 TDP - no exceptions. In this category you missed FN.
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Entirely subjective. :D At least with respect to the other tiers, anyway. Adcor also uses an FN barrel, so they might be pushing Tier 1.
 
blaxsun said:
This list is entirely subjective (opinions will vary).
This is just a loose grouping based on price, quality, reliability, features, etc.

Tier 1: ... Colt-Diemaco . FN . HK . Knight . LWRC . Noveske-VLTOR
Tier 2: ... AAC . Adcor . Armalite . Barrett . BCM . LMT . POF . PWS . Spikes . Stag
Tier 3: ... Bushmaster . CMMG . DD . DPMS . Remington . RRA . Sabre . S&W . Windham
Tier 0: ... Core15 . Eagle . NEA . Norinco . Olympic
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Did I miss anything? Adjustments (±) for any? Thanks.
• = Discontinued ... •= Unobtanium ... • = Moved
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You've got the four tiers named wrong! Should be:

God Tier
Mid Tier
Low Tier
**** Tier
 
I can;t believe I'm being sucked into this... but...

I would put CMMG into Tier 2. Their "bargain basement" series rifles with nitro-carb barrels are definitely tier 1, but the majority of their products are chrom-lined and very close to TDP. Having owned several (and still owning one because I really like them for the money) - I would have to give them the tier 2 nod for their normal line of products.

This is part of the problem - many makers offer models that make it difficult to class the whole manufacturer into one tier. And example? DPMS has built rifles for Dept. of State, the FBI and others and some of those models have al;so been sold to the public in semi-auto at times. Those are NOT the rifles they sell for cheap on the open market. If they produced the odd Tier 1 rifle under contract does that make them a Tier 1 producer? Likely not, but it opens a debate...
 
Tier 0 should be above tier 1 and make the current Tier 0 list tier 4....just saying....Also a thing to consider for 2012 at least the competition shows HK as king in all categories practically...

So HK would be in it's own category of Tier 0, also you could through KAC in the top of the Heep as well.The TDP is great in all but manufacturing process for AR's has advanced in many ways and the TDP we have from Colt that other manufacturers get to see now and then does not include what Colt does to it's rifles above that which they don't obviously tell us.

Also LWRC does not compare in reliability to HK416 that was proven many times in the past and very recently as well along with all the other competition. Colts "416 killer" didn't exactly pan out in many regards either, in fact they lost pretty badly overall.....
 
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