Noob advice. Please
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It depends on what you want to do with a rimfire rifle...
I started out on rimfire rifles many years ago. Shot a very accurate bolt action for 35 years then bought a Ruger 10/22 which is a semi auto.
If you have never used a rifle before I would go for a CZ 452 with a decent scope and use it to learn to shoot. Later on get yourself into a Ruger 10/22
They are a lot of fun but unless you pour an additional $400 to $800 into one (better barrel, a decent trigger, and bolt along with a decent stock etc and on and on) it is less than 1/4 as accurate as the CZ will be. I have a pile of both as well as others, and shoot 5000 to 7000 .22 rounds a year. So far my last 10/22 (KIDD Supergrade) set me back around $1600 and my $450 CZ can do as well.
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i have both, the old, cheapest model ruger i have; is flawless after no work and 1000's of rounds, guaranteed great, the mossberg is brand new, <500 rounds, not as accurate, feels cheap and the mag has issues, it is a b*tch to load, sharp edges, sticks when you pull down the follower...
Like you said it depends on what you want to do with it. There is absolutely no need to do anything to a stock ruger to shoot accurately and for many years to come. If sitting at the bench and poking tiny groups is his game then he may want to upgrade some parts. Then again if that's his game then a semi auto is the wrong tool for the job.
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My first .22 was a ruger 10/22 and I havent regretted it for a second. I bought the base blued model with the wood stock. Shot maybe 1000 rounds through it before putting the action into a Nomad stock and have fired at least 3000 rounds through it in the past few months. Ive cleaned it one time strictly out of guilt... not because anything was wrong. After pulling a swab through it was barely dirty. Ive shot everything from high end target ammo to the cheapest bulk crap and have found it much prefers round nose bullets to hollow points. I use butler creek steel lips mags and really like them alot. The stock ruger mag was fine... but wont fit with teh nomad stock and the promag mags are crap IMO.
If your strictly looking to shoot the tightest groups possible, go with a bolt action. I have a savage and love it as well. But if you want a really fun plinker thats decently accurate and endlessly upgradable. The 10/22 is perfect. I just installed a $99 red dot and shot a 1 inch 5 round group at 50 yards... IMO, thats darn good for a base model gun with NO upgrades at all.
If your strictly looking to shoot the tightest groups possible, go with a bolt action. I have a savage and love it as well. But if you want a really fun plinker thats decently accurate and endlessly upgradable. The 10/22 is perfect. I just installed a $99 red dot and shot a 1 inch 5 round group at 50 yards... IMO, thats darn good for a base model gun with NO upgrades at all.
First rimfire...or first gun? Either way, I'd suggest a bolt action above those 2 choices for the reasons mentioned already. If you have your heart set on a semi, I'd suggest a Marlin 795 or Marlin 60 over either of those choices. If you like to tinker/modify/spend money on guns to get them shooting accurately, then a 10/22 is the best choice. None of these semis, Marlin included, have great triggers...but at least the 795 I own cost 1/2 of what I paid for my 10/22~and is ridiculously accurate compared to it. Or to how it used to be, I got rid of it. Detect a hint of bias? 
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I'm totally sticking up for the moss tac over the 1022. Heck almost any other new .22 semi over the 1022. My moss was flawless after a short breakin, my 1022 has been a royal pain with stove pipe issues and no bolt hold back. My 597 is deadly accurate, has an auto hold open on last shot, and the mags drop free with a slight touch of the release.
Just because the 1022 has been around forever doesn't mean they are any good. There are better options out there for the same price or less.
Just because the 1022 has been around forever doesn't mean they are any good. There are better options out there for the same price or less.
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The Ruger 10/22 is the Remington 700 of the Rimfire world.
By that I am referring to the fact that it has been around for quite some time and both offer the largest array of accessories and aftermarket parts and upgrades, there are also several companies that make their own 10/22 actions i.e volquartsen for the 10/22 and Stiller or Surgeon for the Rem700 (and many more)
If you want a proven design that has been proven reliable and consistent for the vast majority of users then the 10/22 is a safer purchase. Yes there are the odd duds like with any product but overall the 10/22 has been one of the most popular .22 rifles for decades, and that isn't just luck.
By that I am referring to the fact that it has been around for quite some time and both offer the largest array of accessories and aftermarket parts and upgrades, there are also several companies that make their own 10/22 actions i.e volquartsen for the 10/22 and Stiller or Surgeon for the Rem700 (and many more)
If you want a proven design that has been proven reliable and consistent for the vast majority of users then the 10/22 is a safer purchase. Yes there are the odd duds like with any product but overall the 10/22 has been one of the most popular .22 rifles for decades, and that isn't just luck.
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Agreed, besides a 10/22, a Marlin 60 (tube-fed semi-auto, which has actually sold more than 10/22s), Marlin XT-22 (bolt magazine-fed), or Savage Mark II (also a bolt magazine-fed) is a good way to start. The triggers on the last two are better than on the semis, and you will probably learn better marksmanship from a bolt, but semi-autos are fun to shoot.
With all these you should be paying ballpark $200-250 for the base gun, while getting a fairly reliable and reasonably accurate rifle. The 10/22 is probably the least accurate of all the ones I mention, but is rugged and has many aftermarket parts, as you will soon discover.
I don't have any experience with Mossberg rimfires. Their shotguns are okay.
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Definitely go for a bolt action, learn the basics and realize a one shot thought process. Semis seem to leave a sense of " if i miss the first time, i may hit it the second shot". Never had a 10/22 and from what i read in the forums about repairs and having to add expensive parts that "are available" to make it shoot, i would rather not have one. My old 1940 Marlin 81s hit out to 200 yards and see no need to take second shots. And older bolt would be my suggestion, quality was sure built in back then.
Listen, take my advice... take a gander at my insight...
I own the Mossberg 715T Flat top model, one of the best firearm purchases iv made thus far....
If you purchase a 10/22 and want to trick it out, what you will end up with, is a similar looking rifle to the mossberg 10/22, assuming your going to purchase a archangle kit or maradure kit for it... if you go one of these routes, it will cost you about 400-500$... and you end up with a plastic rifle, the same as the mossberg tactical 22
PROS: for tricked out 10/22
-it's a 10/22
-battle hardned
-tons of aftermarket customizable peices
-wont fail on you
CONS;
-290$ for stock 10/22
-another 100-200$ for the tacticool kit
-mags are finniky
Think about it.. if you purchase a 10/22, and get a maradour kit for it, the end result is.... You have a plastic rifle, with metal parts, such as the barrel, action, mag housing. end cost will be 400-500$ befour optics purchase.... and the mags, for your kit, you will still be using 25rd mags, they just don't have that AR15 look...
MOSSBERG TACTICAL 22, ALSO KNOWN AS M715T
PROS;
-299-339$$ cost for the most ar15 looking none-restricted rifle thus to date
-Metal barrel, Metal IRON detachable sights, The mag looks like a AR15 mag when inserted!
-Plastic is really, realllllly strong, If you held one, you'd be amazed.....
-Mossberg is a company that produces the worlds finest shotguns, and theyre raping the 22lr market atm with the release of the M715T Flat top model, it looks Monolitic
-Interchangeable aftermarket parts, all same parts that you can use on a standard AR15....stock/optics/foregrips/rails &railcovers, aswell as sights
-Threaded barrel for aftermarket fake suppressors, or different flash hiders...
CONS;
-It will definatly make you wanna shoot more often...
-It will definatly make you wanna shoot more often...
-It will definatly make you wanna shoot more often...
In the end, it depends what your after... if your want a AR15 that you can shoot on ur land, or out in the bush.... get the mossberg, becuase it will cost you half the price, when compared to the ruger... for example....once ur finished purchasing all your aftermarket peices for ur 10/22, and you've achived that tacticool look your after.... put the recipt side by side to the mossberg, and i'll guarentee you rugers recipts will be double, if not tripple.... and for what? Nothing, THEY WOULD BE THE EXACT SAME THING.
Now.... don't get me wrong, 10/22's are awsome, but i wouldnt recommend one for getting a ar15 look. Belive me, just grab the mossberg, HOWEVER if your trying to make a nice, realiable, SBR, with bipod, and 25rdmags, or some kind of bench rifle, or bipod'd rifle, the 10/22 is perfect. Im currently making a SBR with bipod, and 25rd mags, heavy barrel, etc, and yes i own a mossberg aswell..
When i purchased my mossberg this is how it went... I did ####load of research, read up alot of negative threads saying how bad mags are, how the plastic feels like a toy.. how it fails to eject rounds, how it stovepipes(loads a round with other shell not ejected yet), Listen----- 3 days after i got mine, me and buddys went shooting, I purchase THE WORST AMMO people told me the gun has problems with, winchester Hollowpoint 333 box, I acually purchase about 2000 rounds, and when i shot..... FLAWLESS, It couldnt have gone better. My mag loaded 25( at first was difficult to load, but thats a given, the spring will loosen eventually) but none the less to say.. boy did i shoot that day.... I was only rocking the iron sights that came with it...couldnt ask for more, I got the best case scenerio possible
The mossberg, even though in a plastic shell, All the moving parts(aside from the stock) Is metal, so were the rounds meet, it's metal.... the only plastic on it, isnt really seeing heavy abuse, the heavy abuse areas are metal, and let's compare a mossberg 702 plinkster action to a 10/22 action.... theyre almost identical, both been around for YEARS, so theres nothing to prove here... theyre both reliable.
End result;
FOR AR15 looks - grab the mossberg
For a traditinal rifle look, and not making it like a ar15, 10/22
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and for ppl saying, NO YOU CAN GET A AR15 LOOK FROM A 10/22, PURCHASE A sr22
Let me educate you ppl who would reply this... Go ahead, purchase ur sr22.... sure it's all metal, and has a 1022 ruger action... but man those mags are ugly.... Then you say.....get maraduer mags man!, Then i say, looook.....
-sr22 500-600$
-rails 180-250$
-maradour mags 25-40$ each
hmm so to achive what the M715T flattop has achiveed..... You'd be spending 720-900$ easy, if you went the sr22 route but... you do get all metal, execption from stock,and mags
M715T is plastic, but it's sooo tough plastic, id like to see someone to try and break it from firing rounds to much, or dropped it acidentally from 2-5feet
My 2 cents
EDIT: Oh forgot to add, if you grab that mossberg tactical 22, and shoot your 25rd mag really fast... it will definatly be shaking ur hands/sholder, definatly tons of fun. Let's be honest.
I own the Mossberg 715T Flat top model, one of the best firearm purchases iv made thus far....
If you purchase a 10/22 and want to trick it out, what you will end up with, is a similar looking rifle to the mossberg 10/22, assuming your going to purchase a archangle kit or maradure kit for it... if you go one of these routes, it will cost you about 400-500$... and you end up with a plastic rifle, the same as the mossberg tactical 22
PROS: for tricked out 10/22
-it's a 10/22
-battle hardned
-tons of aftermarket customizable peices
-wont fail on you
CONS;
-290$ for stock 10/22
-another 100-200$ for the tacticool kit
-mags are finniky
Think about it.. if you purchase a 10/22, and get a maradour kit for it, the end result is.... You have a plastic rifle, with metal parts, such as the barrel, action, mag housing. end cost will be 400-500$ befour optics purchase.... and the mags, for your kit, you will still be using 25rd mags, they just don't have that AR15 look...
MOSSBERG TACTICAL 22, ALSO KNOWN AS M715T
PROS;
-299-339$$ cost for the most ar15 looking none-restricted rifle thus to date
-Metal barrel, Metal IRON detachable sights, The mag looks like a AR15 mag when inserted!
-Plastic is really, realllllly strong, If you held one, you'd be amazed.....
-Mossberg is a company that produces the worlds finest shotguns, and theyre raping the 22lr market atm with the release of the M715T Flat top model, it looks Monolitic
-Interchangeable aftermarket parts, all same parts that you can use on a standard AR15....stock/optics/foregrips/rails &railcovers, aswell as sights
-Threaded barrel for aftermarket fake suppressors, or different flash hiders...
CONS;
-It will definatly make you wanna shoot more often...
-It will definatly make you wanna shoot more often...
-It will definatly make you wanna shoot more often...
In the end, it depends what your after... if your want a AR15 that you can shoot on ur land, or out in the bush.... get the mossberg, becuase it will cost you half the price, when compared to the ruger... for example....once ur finished purchasing all your aftermarket peices for ur 10/22, and you've achived that tacticool look your after.... put the recipt side by side to the mossberg, and i'll guarentee you rugers recipts will be double, if not tripple.... and for what? Nothing, THEY WOULD BE THE EXACT SAME THING.
Now.... don't get me wrong, 10/22's are awsome, but i wouldnt recommend one for getting a ar15 look. Belive me, just grab the mossberg, HOWEVER if your trying to make a nice, realiable, SBR, with bipod, and 25rdmags, or some kind of bench rifle, or bipod'd rifle, the 10/22 is perfect. Im currently making a SBR with bipod, and 25rd mags, heavy barrel, etc, and yes i own a mossberg aswell..
When i purchased my mossberg this is how it went... I did ####load of research, read up alot of negative threads saying how bad mags are, how the plastic feels like a toy.. how it fails to eject rounds, how it stovepipes(loads a round with other shell not ejected yet), Listen----- 3 days after i got mine, me and buddys went shooting, I purchase THE WORST AMMO people told me the gun has problems with, winchester Hollowpoint 333 box, I acually purchase about 2000 rounds, and when i shot..... FLAWLESS, It couldnt have gone better. My mag loaded 25( at first was difficult to load, but thats a given, the spring will loosen eventually) but none the less to say.. boy did i shoot that day.... I was only rocking the iron sights that came with it...couldnt ask for more, I got the best case scenerio possible
The mossberg, even though in a plastic shell, All the moving parts(aside from the stock) Is metal, so were the rounds meet, it's metal.... the only plastic on it, isnt really seeing heavy abuse, the heavy abuse areas are metal, and let's compare a mossberg 702 plinkster action to a 10/22 action.... theyre almost identical, both been around for YEARS, so theres nothing to prove here... theyre both reliable.
End result;
FOR AR15 looks - grab the mossberg
For a traditinal rifle look, and not making it like a ar15, 10/22
-----------------------------------------------------------
and for ppl saying, NO YOU CAN GET A AR15 LOOK FROM A 10/22, PURCHASE A sr22
Let me educate you ppl who would reply this... Go ahead, purchase ur sr22.... sure it's all metal, and has a 1022 ruger action... but man those mags are ugly.... Then you say.....get maraduer mags man!, Then i say, looook.....
-sr22 500-600$
-rails 180-250$
-maradour mags 25-40$ each
hmm so to achive what the M715T flattop has achiveed..... You'd be spending 720-900$ easy, if you went the sr22 route but... you do get all metal, execption from stock,and mags
M715T is plastic, but it's sooo tough plastic, id like to see someone to try and break it from firing rounds to much, or dropped it acidentally from 2-5feet
My 2 cents
EDIT: Oh forgot to add, if you grab that mossberg tactical 22, and shoot your 25rd mag really fast... it will definatly be shaking ur hands/sholder, definatly tons of fun. Let's be honest.
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not sure how the marauder resembles anything but a G36.......
I think biting didnt mention that the marauder/nomad is also a rock solid kit that is made of really tough polymer. I agree that the 10/22 is mroe expensive to upgrade because you have to buy kits to turn it into something that its not. My personal experience has been that the mags seem to work very well on my marauder kit, and i maybe get a stovepipe every few hundred rounds, not sure if thats bad or not you be the judge. In the end go for what YOU think looks the best because like any manmade product you always run the risk of getting a lemon. Consider your budget and what your using it for, and also think about once you have the firearm, what kind of extras do you want, extra mags, tons of ammo, etc.
I think biting didnt mention that the marauder/nomad is also a rock solid kit that is made of really tough polymer. I agree that the 10/22 is mroe expensive to upgrade because you have to buy kits to turn it into something that its not. My personal experience has been that the mags seem to work very well on my marauder kit, and i maybe get a stovepipe every few hundred rounds, not sure if thats bad or not you be the judge. In the end go for what YOU think looks the best because like any manmade product you always run the risk of getting a lemon. Consider your budget and what your using it for, and also think about once you have the firearm, what kind of extras do you want, extra mags, tons of ammo, etc.
