Best $2000 Piston Ar-15

Get a Daniel Defense DI rifle and put the $400 left over towards optics, mags, training, or whatever. Unless you are running some combination of a short barrel, full auto, and/or a suppressor, there is no benefit in a piston gun over direct gas operation.

If you absolutely have to have a piston gun, save up for an HK.
 
tjhaile said:
Get a Daniel Defense DI rifle and put the $400 left over towards optics, mags, training, or whatever. Unless you are running some combination of a short barrel, full auto, and/or a suppressor, there is no benefit in a piston gun over direct gas operation.

If you absolutely have to have a piston gun, save up for an HK.
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The big benefit is easy maintenance.
 
blaxsun said:
I definitely agree. Even if we can't run suppressed with full auto, the reduced cleaning and maintenance benefits easily pay for itself in a few range sessions.
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I personally like taking an ar apart and cleaning it. I don't do it that often and I'm sure I do it way more than is actually necessary.
 
I have a Adams Arms dedicated upper and have had no issues whatsoever. AA was said to have some issue as a conversion, however the piston system performs very well!
Good "band for the buck".
 
OZZ said:
The big benefit is easy maintenance.
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Regular ARs aren't difficult to maintain: keep the bolt carrier group well lubricated and give it a quick scrub with a toothbrush and solvent every 500-1000 rounds or so. All the piston does is shift the carbon fouling from the bolt carrier to the gas block. Pat Rogers has kept an AR running for tens of thousands of rounds while only adding lube.

I don't see a rifle that shoots itself to pieces more rapidly due to carrier tilt and/or a generally more violent action while using proprietary parts as being an acceptable tradeoff for the non-advantage of less fouling in the bolt carrier group.
 
tjhaile said:
I don't see a rifle that shoots itself to pieces more rapidly due to carrier tilt and/or a generally more violent action while using proprietary parts as being an acceptable tradeoff for the non-advantage of less fouling in the bolt carrier group.
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Carrier tilt is not present with any modern piston systems. And it's not just the cleaning/maintenance benefit: piston systems also run cooler.

The DI vs. piston argument seems to be never-ending, but the bottom line is they're both reliable and both dependable. The piston setups are just less maintenance. Period.
 
I bought a piston upper because I wanted one. It's like owning a Ford or GM car, some folks have both. Unless you are "Tier 1" or some that is "tip of the spear" you will never come to realize the benefit of either in your life time. I own both because I can. I'd own a HK 416 if I could, not because I need it, but because I want it!!! LOL.
 
tjhaile said:
Regular ARs aren't difficult to maintain: keep the bolt carrier group well lubricated and give it a quick scrub with a toothbrush and solvent every 500-1000 rounds or so. All the piston does is shift the carbon fouling from the bolt carrier to the gas block. Pat Rogers has kept an AR running for tens of thousands of rounds while only adding lube.

I don't see a rifle that shoots itself to pieces more rapidly due to carrier tilt and/or a generally more violent action while using proprietary parts as being an acceptable tradeoff for the non-advantage of less fouling in the bolt carrier group.
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Shoots itself to pieces?? uh uh buddy , I have noticed zero abnormal wear on my PWS`s . I have also noticed that after firing 200 rounds at the range my PWS bolt/carrier is still nicely lubed when I do the same with my DI guns the bolt/carrier are dry and carboned up.

They both get brass crap all over but thats waht you get for firing cartridges and for the violence the PWS shoots way softer than any DI gun I have ever fired.
 
heavenIsAlie said:
so not to highjack... but those with a PWS, any of them in 7.62x39? want to know how much of a pain it is to clean with the surplus ammo
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Does this answer your question?
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Timbertec said:
I love the long-stoke piston system. I have ZERO carrier tilt (unlike the Adams Arms kit on the wife's rifle) and it is 100% reliable. Add to the fact that after sighting in I was shooting some tiny little groups and experiencing very little recoil (thanks to the FSC556 brake) I was very impressed.

Even more impressive was the fact I had the rifle apart and fully cleaned after my range visit(s) in less than 5 minutes. I mean totally clean! Not like "It's a AR and I'll never be able to get it 100% clean", but I could have eaten off that rifle.

My model of choice was the MK114...
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You should try my Adcor.
Hard Chrome and a rag wipe's clean with a little brake cleaner on it. That is after 500+ rounds at the range on 1 day.
 
Oh Blaxsun just stop........It is not heavy at all, it's a 10.4 barrel if you are complaining about weight on that rifle hit the gym....Also it is a collectors gun and you can buy the MR223 if you want an HK piston rifle anyways, if you are in the market for CQB gun well the MR223 in it's current 16.5 barrel is not what you want anyways. Also keep in mind the 14 inch MR barrels will be out in the next 2 years and eventually there 10.4 or around that mark will be out too as well. None of the guns out there come close to the reliability of the HK rifles and your LWRC didn't even make it to the end of the competition and got it's ass handed to it by COLT IUR and Colt got beat by HK(Which won by a long shot, the competition was not even close) and was out of the competition and the test was stopped and HK was still going well after. Although some companies have very nice weapons out there at the end of the day for price it will make little difference for most users. I think the main problem with many people posting on forums is they get all tied up with aesthetics and perceived ergonomics rather then the actually performance of the rifle itself.

"What you save in weight in many areas you tend to lose in ability or capability"

"If using better materials that offer the same capability and save weight that might not equate to longevity"

"Guns are most of the time built for specific reasons or a broader criteria, it's up to the user or purchasers to define the criteria"

Just saying.............
 
Leibermuster said:
It is not heavy at all, it's a 10.4 barrel if you are complaining about weight on that rifle hit the gym....Also it is a collectors gun...

"What you save in weight in many areas you tend to lose in ability or capability"

"If using better materials that offer the same capability and save weight that might not equate to longevity"
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I always like these arguments... it's my complete imagination that the HK416 is pushing 7lbs, or that it's barrel-heavy... or that the quad rail is also insanely heavy. It's just me, I should work out... :rolleyes:

I'm not comparing the HK416 to a LWRC (or anything else); I'm just merely pointing out that for the $8k cost of an HK416 there's a lot of (other) piston love to be had. It's not like we can run full auto or suppressed anyway, and last I checked we didn't have to swim a 1/4 mile over the beach to use the range at the SWF... so many of the perceived benefits of the HK416 are lost on us regular "joes".
 
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