Should I buy a NEA AR?

50,000 rifles on two CNC machines? thats 192 rifles per working day ( 5 days a week 52 weeks a year). In the politest terms I can think of; not a chance.

didnt know they only had 2 machines lol, i thought they moved into a bigger building with more machine a few moths ago.
so how many do you think they can actually turn out per day?? 8?


got that info off the interweb did we?

do you believe in leprechauns as well?

;)

Leprechauns are made up creatures, otherwise Hornady would have may Golden Leprechaun protection ammo




At least try to put some effort in and come up with realistic production numbers...


i have no clue what their production numbers are, but i know the made their warehouse bigger to put out more production a few months ago.

either way it was a joke.

im excited to get my hande on this AR, and ill be posting om my clubs forum offering others to try it out, no problem.
i usually make it to silverdale 2x a year, so ill bring her there too, but i dont think ill have the rifle for at least 3-4 weeks at the earliest since its pre order.
 
Leprechauns are made up creatures, otherwise Hornady would have may Golden Leprechaun protection ammo


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dude, my mom was killed by leprechauns back in '89 on a gold hunt...
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Honestly, I have no way of knowing what your trigger is, or anyone else’s as I don’t have them here with me… on the other hand it was repeatedly discussed on here and confirmed by Dave from NEA, the trigger pulls where ~12.5 pounds on the early NEAs… one poster even said they maxed their trigger gauge out attempting to properly measure it, another said they could hang the rifle from the trigger… I know, I know, this all fits into your shillgate conspiracy of things that can only be proved with deleted threads…

Oh wait, this one is not deleted…
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?727678
12-15 pounds he says…
Oh common now, the NEA “military heavy triggers” were well over 10#’s… which is not common and not military standard… you know this is what started this whole thing, sugar coating over problems like they were normal or acting like they were one off incidents… seriously, why don’t you just tell it like it is?

I wasnt talking about macs, his was the famous "unstaked BCG seen around the world", I wont defend the lack of staking on that one particular gun either, NEA screwed up on it. I never was talking about mac's gun

I was talking about mine, so I am telling it like it is for MY gun,

am I now going to be called out every time I complain about something on my NEA, but not hard enough? or with enough hyperbole? you want me to lie and say it was heavier then it was on mine?

where on earth would you get the idea that I was making a blanket statement about all the heavy nea triggers? or that macs applies to mine?

why would I have mentioned any issues at all if I wanted to sugar coat it?

there are certainly more reviews on NEA like mine, running fools, fastfords, pbr street gangs... ect ect then there are like macs... and even mac seemed happy once his new BCG was in.

NEA screwed up in macs case, then did everything they could to make it right... hardly seems worth throwing them under the bus over.
 
Okay, hang on. Let's imagine for the sake of argument that I get a Stag that doesn't run (and don't infer from my membership at M4C that I am anti-Stag!). Then what? Let's imagine a scenario in which, say, the chamber was somehow cut with a worn-out bit, and is consequently a little tight.Do you replace the barrel? Or does it go back to Stag?
We have never had a bad barrel/chamber return. But to answer the question;you would send the rifle (or upper half if you know that is the problem, after we talk about the situation), to AEI.  If the problem with the rifle turns out to be the scenario you suggest, we would replace the barrel with a new unit, test fire it, and return it to you.

Or what if, again just for the sake of argument, there is an issue with the pin holes in the lower. Or the threading is a little off for the receiver extension. Something odd. Something that is not easily sorted by a simple parts replacement. Something, say, that you can't diagnose on the spot. Then what?
We can do any line of repair or maintenance in house. We can diagnose any problem on the AR15. We can repair any problem on the AR15, with new parts as required, from inventory. If we ever had a dimensionally incorrect lower (which due to Stag Arms testing all completed parts on a myriad of very specialized jigs + other electronic inspections, we never have) we would replace the lower, or whatever other part it was.
Then do you have to sort out export/import permits, and send it back to CMT? Do you have a Stag-approved gunsmith on site to deal with any issues that do crop up?
We send nothing back to Stag for repair for a customer. We have Stag and CF Certified Armorers in house. In theory again, if we did get that stinker of a barrel in the scenario, I'd probably buy it myself and do what I want with it. If we ever did send something back to Stag, it wouldn't involve a customer waiting for the repair to play out, nor would the owner have to concern themselves with export licensing.

I appreciate that issues with Stag guns are rare. I don't mean to be argumentative. This is pure curiosity (from a guy who, incidentally, recommends Stags regularly, and specifically recommends Arms East Stags for a number of reasons) in regards to the process of solving issues that aren't obvious. At what point does the gun go back to the manufacturer?

The gun never goes back to the manufacturer. We can do anything in-house, in-Canada, and correctly. I appreciate your questions, and certainly your recommendations! It's not argumentative. I also get your M4C reference. Shill-fest. Mods and mystery posters work for smaller competitors. Yapping dogs with marketing strategies. Stag outsells the lot of their sponsor/mods and makes the parts for half of the rest of them . I can feel for brands whose employees have to make things up to market their guns on a gunshop owned web-forum. :pirate:

We compare Stag Arms to Colt, and that's it. Why? It's who they learned from (and in some cases, I think Colt learned from them) and no one else has been cutting milspec M16 FOW parts for longer. Quality parts, careful assembly, quality rifles.
 
Honestly, I have no way of knowing what your trigger is, or anyone else’s as I don’t have them here with me… on the other hand it was repeatedly discussed on here and confirmed by Dave from NEA, the trigger pulls where ~12.5 pounds on the early NEAs… one poster even said they maxed their trigger gauge out attempting to properly measure it, another said they could hang the rifle from the trigger… I know, I know, this all fits into your shillgate conspiracy of things that can only be proved with deleted threads…

Oh wait, this one is not deleted…
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?727678
12-15 pounds he says…

I just went through through this thread. The funny part is, that the ground gas key was installed by the management. Either Dave or Jeff, can't remember which. Yet they go on like they are mystified as to how it happened.
 
I wasnt talking about macs, his was the famous "unstaked BCG seen around the world", I wont defend the lack of staking on that one particular gun either, NEA screwed up on it. I never was talking about mac's gun

I was talking about mine, so I am telling it like it is for MY gun,

am I now going to be called out every time I complain about something on my NEA, but not hard enough? or with enough hyperbole? you want me to lie and say it was heavier then it was on mine?

where on earth would you get the idea that I was making a blanket statement about all the heavy nea triggers? or that macs applies to mine?

why would I have mentioned any issues at all if I wanted to sugar coat it?

there are certainly more reviews on NEA like mine, running fools, fastfords, pbr street gangs... ect ect then there are like macs... and even mac seemed happy once his new BCG was in.

NEA screwed up in macs case, then did everything they could to make it right... hardly seems worth throwing them under the bus over.

Actually, I picked macs at random, did a search, read the first few lines, referenced it, nothing more…

A proper military spec trigger is 5.5-8.5lbs which is what I would expect on an NEA… the bad triggers were not to spec and NEA replaced them because of this… so your trigger was in spec, or close to, but you still had it replaced… alright, I guess I made some assumptions I shouldn’t have… my apologies... honestly

Just, please, don’t tell me the heavy triggers were in spec, or macs was the only one, as I am positive they were not, and that macs was not the only one… I am not going to waste any more time on this…

Seem to have a strong opinion about NEA and wondered what it was based on?

Really, I have no dog in this fight, nor do I believe there is even a fight, I just believe that booth sides should be heard… or well… all you would hear are the good things...
 
where on earth would you get the idea that I was making a blanket statement about all the heavy nea triggers? or that macs applies to mine?

I was just wondering that myself... I would say it was from this exact statment...

they did inform very publicly that sub 500 serial #'s had military heavy triggers (not uncommon, my Smith and wesson pistol also had a horrible duty trigger of 8.5ilbs)
 
yes... I again stated MY nea pulled heavy, at about 8.5... like my SW... I didnt say EVERY heavy trigger was 8.5... im sure there was a wide range and the worst case scenario was higher

im being extra picky... i dont need the trigger to break a gauge to send it back... are you saying I shouldnt have complained about a 8.5 trigger then?

are you saying that EVERY SINGLE nea pulled at 12ilbs before serial #'s hit 500?

no part of my statement puts a top end value on how heavy early nea triggers were, I simply said MY pistol had a similar heavy trigger to MY rifle...


I cant help it if you tangentially assume Im saying the heaviest trigger they made was 8.5ilbs,
 
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