.308 best hunting cartridge?

i like magnums ... thats just me , I like 180 grain + bullets, and I dont give a sh*t if the bullet is inside it or blown out the otherside... I just want it to fall where it stands and be dead before it hits the ground :)

Good on you, that's the kind of talk that I like to hear!
 
If you handload, the '06 is superior in most loads except light bullets in carbine length barrels. Here it's so close I'd opt for the short action reliability of the .308 in say auto loaders or pumps.

Try this method to determine a cartridges inherent strength and additional advantage over the .308.

Determine the maximum effective range you consider a .308 good for on a particular game first.

Then look at velocity and energy at that distance that did the clean kill.

Next using the same bullet weight/type, checkout where on a ballistics chart, a 30-06 is pushing the same speed ,then a 300H&H, then 300wM, 308Norma, 300 Wby etc.

This is where additional powder and power comes into play, extending your max effective range. A clean kill at 100yds on an Elk with a .308 is a clean kill. Most '06s add on 50 -75 yards, and the magnums add about 150 yards to your barrel length.

For myself, I'll say my .308Winchester has a maximum effective range of 200yards on a large Moose. They can be killed much further, but I'll limit myself to the bullet performance of 200yards and call it the sweet spot and no more.

For apples to apples I'll take winchesters ballistic chart and use 180 gr Power Points in 4 popular .30cals.

1. .308Winchester @ 200yards we are down to 2176 fps and 1891 ft -lbs energy. Still fast enough for hydrostatic shock and enough energy to open up the big power point.

2. .30-06 we find the power point dropping to a similar speed and energy when it reaches out to 250yards, 2141 fps and 1831 ft lbs. hmmm.....a 50 yard gain as I expected.;)

3. .300WinchesterMagnum, we find Winchester's glory boy down to similar energy as the .308 at 200yards, when she reaches 400yards;), 2158fps, and 1860 ft lbs of energy remaining.

4. .300 WinchesterShortMagnum, we find her equaling a 200yard .308 hit when she gets to 400yards, 2166fps and 1874, a ballistic twin to her 50 year old sibling.


You can kill further with excellent marksmanship with any of the above cartridges on specified game,but we have to draw a line somewhere for a ethical comparison right.

Some think the magnums just make more noise,... and their standard calibers are actually a better killer. Of course this is absolute nonsense, tribal knowledge gained around campfires as a youth roasting weenies and baking potatoes.

If you use the above method I've used for years, you can take any cartridge in a given caliber, note it's optimum performance based on your own observations and where that performance starts to wane, and for any other cartridge in that diameter, check out where it falls with a similar weight bullet in velocity and energy, and you have an insight into its performance without ever firing a shot at an animal with it.

Remember it's apples to apples, notwithstanding bullet placement, bullet construction and not weight alone, twist rates, inherent accuracy and the list goes on, should be avoided, to determine a potential factor rating.
 
308 Win and it's smaller brother 7mm-08 are probably the greatest modern all-round cartridges.
Personally, I tend to prefer high velocity and flat shooting cartridge over all-rounders but it's a personal preference.

Your mileage may vary

Alex
 
308 Win and it's smaller brother 7mm-08 are probably the greatest modern all-round cartridges.
Personally, I tend to prefer high velocity and flat shooting cartridge over all-rounders but it's a personal preference.

Your mileage may vary

Alex

Indeed Sir, welcome to the short action love club!
 
I've started shooting .308 more often due to a couple of new purchases - a Springfield M1A and a Browning BLR (.308). I've sold off all of my .223 and 5.56 gear and will be using my .308's for coyote this year!
 
I always answer this question with another question. How is your 30 cal 180gr bullet any better than another cartridges 30 cal 180gr bullet traveling at the same speed?

If your .308 makes you horny and happy all over then you should stick with it, but just because you got snail marks on the front of your t-shirt, you really don't qualify to make an argument.


O, hey. You must be new to guns. It's ok read these posts to catch up. I asked a question about 1 or two holes, and stated, from personal experience, why I like .308.

So basic reading comprehension shows that your question to answer my question is not so relevant.

If I did answer your question it would be along the lines of price, availability, selection.

It is easy to be a know it all ####, hard to read the post, apparently.
 
O, hey. You must be new to guns. It's ok read these posts to catch up. I asked a question about 1 or two holes, and stated, from personal experience, why I like .308.

So basic reading comprehension shows that your question to answer my question is not so relevant.

If I did answer your question it would be along the lines of price, availability, selection.

It is easy to be a know it all ####, hard to read the post, apparently.

Why, Wyatt Erp are you my friend, asked Doc Holiday! The node was "yes"! and I am your friend, too! I love the 308 to death! Together we stand tall, side by side! No body but no body is gonna get get between us an the mighty 308!!! Blood brother's to the end, right McMaster's!
 
If there was no 308, not sure, i would be so involved in shooting, when i go to the club, i always bring 5 or 6 rifles or shotguns but there always a 308 in the bunch, there is ALWAYS A 308 IN THE BUNCH... JP.
 
If there was no 308, not sure, i would be so involved in shooting, when i go to the club, i always bring 5 or 6 rifles or shotguns but there always a 308 in the bunch, there is ALWAYS A 308 IN THE BUNCH... JP.

right on, so spoken right, the 308 is just soooooooooooo glossy, color full, loveable and hug-able and and and and so so so.................. I just love it............! Just the look of the spent brass on the ground makes me wanna.....................
 
Why, Wyatt Erp are you my friend, asked Doc Holiday! The node was "yes"! and I am your friend, too! I love the 308 to death! Together we stand tall, side by side! No body but no body is gonna get get between us an the mighty 308!!! Blood brother's to the end, right McMaster's!

haha just replying to the guy wh said i jizm on myself. obviously i use tissues.
 
I think so. Only after this year though. I always thought id need more but the .308 did good.

my 180 grain remington factories which me and my friend used this year were exceptional. Black bear died on the spot after i shot it in the heart. The bullet went right through leaving a large exit hole.

The calf my friend shot the bullet went all the way through and ended up in the hide. This was from a 200 yard shot on a larger than average calf. Someone else in my hunting party shot a .308 at a cow moose and boiler housed it and the bullet was in the hide on the other side.

I like the idea of my round stopping inside,

so my question is. Is it better to have the bullet in the outside of the hide or out the other side. I know a dead animal is dead and none of these creatures moved at all after being shot. the calf was alive but couldnt move.

i also love how i can shoot a dear with not too much damage and a moose with the same round. Between me and my partner we never had an animal run more than 30 yards. Every one i shot, dropped on the spot and was dead by the time i approached it.

2 holes are always better than 1, if one is plugged for some reason the other might still stay open;)
 
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