30-06 vs 308?
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Can you provide a link or anything that I might look at?
30-06 is the winner for me, i have both and anything the 308 can do the 30-06 does slightly better, till you start pushing the heavy bullets. Then the difference isn't slight anymore the 06 just leaves the 308 in the dust.
Ruh eeee coil...............
My 308 actually seems harsher for ruh eeee coil, or recoil for proper terms than my 30-06, style of rifle can take away a lot of felt recoil. No matter what you do to the 308 though you can't gain back the difference from case capacity.
If the very slight difference in recoil between the two is that noticable then airsoft competitions might be a better sport to consider.
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Well, I look at it this way. I took my old Mauser 30.06 to the range this summer, putting 40 rounds though it in a sitting - with the only protection being a tshirt and the steel butt plate. Coupla days ago, I took that rifle out again, this time with a newly installed padded rubber butt plate, and my usual winter/hunting clothing. Funny, the difference that made, to me anyway. It definitely thumped, but no where near the sharp punch of previous. And, since my ultimate goal is to be able to hunt moose or bison at 300+ yards, well, everything I have seen here more or less suggests the 30.06 to be the preferred method.
One other thing. As I noted on another topic, the big game laws in the Yukon specifically state that they want at least .30 caliber -- Does that not rule out the .270? Or am I missing something.
One other thing. As I noted on another topic, the big game laws in the Yukon specifically state that they want at least .30 caliber -- Does that not rule out the .270? Or am I missing something.
I made a call to a outfitter up in the yukon last year and the answer from him was 30-06 or larger, asked him about the 308 and he said he wanted 30-06 or larger.
The outfitter did not think the 308 had enough to get the job done, i think if range was close enough it would but he wouldn't take a client with a 308, can't remember which outfitter it was, i phoned a few last year
ALBERTA BOY
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I don't have time to look it up right now but you can read all about it in the news/politics section of these forums.
I have heard this before many times. Many outfitters require 30'06 or greater with 180gr bullets.
Takujualuk
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It's pretty easy to load a 308 as fast as the average factory loaded 30-06 with bullets 180 grains or under. Factory 30-06 ammo needs to work in rifles built as long ago as 1906....maybe even the earlier 03 version. The 308 is newer and has many less old rifles laying around. Therefore factory ammo is often loaded just a bit hotter in .308 and loaded by the factory there is often 100fps or less difference between the two rounds.
However if you load the 06 to similar pressures you get a bit more. The 308 holds about 54 grains of powder. The 30-06 about 68 grains. The 30-06 then has 125% the capacity of the 308 or 25% more. This should allow for 6% more velocity if loaded to equal pressure using the pretty well accepted 1/4 the capacity=velocity rule. In other words if you load a 180 grain bullet to 2600fps in 308 you could load it to about 2760fps in a 30-06.
This 160 extra fps is a useful boost. I don't think it really rises the 30-06 to a different class. The .308 is nearly as capable. For example a rifle length 308 (24" barrel)will be equivalent to a 30-06 in a carbine (20" barrel). A hot loaded 308 will equal a mild loaded 30-06. But when both bring their A game the 30-06 is definitely more of a good thing. As has been mentioned the 30-06 is even better with the real heavy bullets when both are loaded in their preferred actions. For example a .308 in a Rem 7 is generally loaded to 2.820" overall. The standard 30-06 is loaded to 3.340. At this loaded length the heavy bullets need to be loaded deeper in the shorter necked .308 and this cuts even more powder capacity from the .308.
What an extra 160 fps gives you I'll leave for you to consider. In my opinion it is enough to be noticeable in the field and the 30-06 with it's ability to use heavier bullets is a bit more flexible. I have seen both used on Moose and they both seem to work pretty well.
However if you load the 06 to similar pressures you get a bit more. The 308 holds about 54 grains of powder. The 30-06 about 68 grains. The 30-06 then has 125% the capacity of the 308 or 25% more. This should allow for 6% more velocity if loaded to equal pressure using the pretty well accepted 1/4 the capacity=velocity rule. In other words if you load a 180 grain bullet to 2600fps in 308 you could load it to about 2760fps in a 30-06.
This 160 extra fps is a useful boost. I don't think it really rises the 30-06 to a different class. The .308 is nearly as capable. For example a rifle length 308 (24" barrel)will be equivalent to a 30-06 in a carbine (20" barrel). A hot loaded 308 will equal a mild loaded 30-06. But when both bring their A game the 30-06 is definitely more of a good thing. As has been mentioned the 30-06 is even better with the real heavy bullets when both are loaded in their preferred actions. For example a .308 in a Rem 7 is generally loaded to 2.820" overall. The standard 30-06 is loaded to 3.340. At this loaded length the heavy bullets need to be loaded deeper in the shorter necked .308 and this cuts even more powder capacity from the .308.
What an extra 160 fps gives you I'll leave for you to consider. In my opinion it is enough to be noticeable in the field and the 30-06 with it's ability to use heavier bullets is a bit more flexible. I have seen both used on Moose and they both seem to work pretty well.
Takujualuk
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The 30-06 as minimum caliber provisions in the Yukon is for Bison only. Specifically a 30 caliber 180 grain bullet loaded to 2800fps. This is possible in a heavily loaded 30-06. You won't make it with a .308. A .270 is not a legal Bison caliber. Many factory loaded 30-06's won't really be making the standard either but the Game Warden won't have a chronograph with him and a 30-06 with 180 grains or 220 grains will be fine.
For other big game uou can't use a rifle with a calibre less than 6 mm [.24 calibre]; (a .22 calibre [5.6 mm] centrefire rifle may be used for wolves and coyotes), Yes you can use a .243 for moose or bear, but for me the 6.5mm is a much better minimum. The .270 would be a fine all-around
choice IMO.
thank you kindly for the suggestion, but I'll just keep on shooting my 308 with a smile.
Both cartridges shoot the same caliber bullet, with one offering slightly more velocity than the other. Within 50yards to 75 yards, the bullet from the 30-06 will be going about the same velocity as the one leaving the muzzle of the 308win.
I have a Sako A7 in 30.06. I load 180 gr. nosler partition pp and achieve moa or better at 100 yards. The rifle is light with a limbs aver pad but it still rattles my fillings. I'm not scared to shoot the rifle nor has it ever hurt me but 20 rounds is all I can put through it at one time. Most of my shots in the sticks are at 100 yards and most often a lot less. It puts down anything I pull the trigger on right now so no tracking but I do shoot it a lot so I'm comfortable with it. I think that's what counts. Both calibers are great but I just like my .06 as it has never let me down. For hunting 30.06, for target .308.
I own both. .300 wm in a 5R is my next shooter.
Don't be scared of the recoil, just shoot it and get use to it. Practice makes perfect no matter the caliber.
I own both. .300 wm in a 5R is my next shooter.
Don't be scared of the recoil, just shoot it and get use to it. Practice makes perfect no matter the caliber.
fixed it.
what about the possible eye damage? it's not repairable! is it worth the chance?
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Two-dogs................................maybe we need to start a 7-08 vs the world thread.
Haa haa I have to tell this story...
I sent my 28" Prohunter barrels in 30-06 and 375H&H to Guntech 4 days ago (Monday) if you do not know who he is he is a gunsmith that lives on Vancouver Island I have had him shorten and recrown 4 barrels for me now he does an excellent job anyway I got home early from work today saw a Canada Post delivery slip so I headed over to the post office to pick up the package I had no idea what it was.
As I was walking in my mail lady was walking out she had just dropped off my barrels they were still sitting on the front counter yes that is right they were already back it took 4 days to ship have Guntech shorten the barrels and ship them back to me.
I raced home mounted a Leupold DD scope base and rings and my 30 year old Leupold Vari X 11 3-9X40mm duplex reticle scope that Korth had done a free warranty inspection last year on my older son (he's 27) called said he was driving by was I home when he got here we raced off to the gun club to try sighting the 30-06 combo in with some old 150gr Rem Core Lok loads that I had loaded up years ago zered the scope 1" high @ 100 yards and dead on @ 200 yards.
It was about 5:10pm when we left the club we decided to drive up the valley to a place I will never share with others to run the dog and if we were lucky spot a buck we arrived around 5:30pm at the start of the road @ appr 5:50pm my son spotted a 2 point coastal blacktail off to the side in thick bush he jumped out of the truck I kept driving = we now have a plump buck hanging in the backyard.
He hit it in the neck it dropped instantly.
Yeah I recommend a 30-06.........
I sent my 28" Prohunter barrels in 30-06 and 375H&H to Guntech 4 days ago (Monday) if you do not know who he is he is a gunsmith that lives on Vancouver Island I have had him shorten and recrown 4 barrels for me now he does an excellent job anyway I got home early from work today saw a Canada Post delivery slip so I headed over to the post office to pick up the package I had no idea what it was.
As I was walking in my mail lady was walking out she had just dropped off my barrels they were still sitting on the front counter yes that is right they were already back it took 4 days to ship have Guntech shorten the barrels and ship them back to me.
I raced home mounted a Leupold DD scope base and rings and my 30 year old Leupold Vari X 11 3-9X40mm duplex reticle scope that Korth had done a free warranty inspection last year on my older son (he's 27) called said he was driving by was I home when he got here we raced off to the gun club to try sighting the 30-06 combo in with some old 150gr Rem Core Lok loads that I had loaded up years ago zered the scope 1" high @ 100 yards and dead on @ 200 yards.
It was about 5:10pm when we left the club we decided to drive up the valley to a place I will never share with others to run the dog and if we were lucky spot a buck we arrived around 5:30pm at the start of the road @ appr 5:50pm my son spotted a 2 point coastal blacktail off to the side in thick bush he jumped out of the truck I kept driving = we now have a plump buck hanging in the backyard.
He hit it in the neck it dropped instantly.
Yeah I recommend a 30-06.........
Haa haa I have to tell this story...
he jumped out of the truck I kept driving = we now have a plump buck hanging in the backyard.
He hit it in the neck it dropped instantly.
Yeah I recommend a 30-06.........
had it been a 308 = same results, a plump buck hanging in the backyard
Two-dogs................................maybe we need to start a 7-08 vs the world thread.
sounds like a good idea..........
