James Yeager AK vs AR vs AK

I have to ask what the objection to being downrange is? Tactical response and other schools teach skills and mindset related to combat/defensive use of a firearm. How would one learn about such skills and experience if they were not immersed?

Bullets do not and cannot radically change direction mid flight. If you're unsure of this you probably shouldn't be involved with firearms. Positioning Yourself in front of another while they shoot can be a safe choice and is often a necessary one. The safety nazi square range mentality has no place in a practical training environment.

Tdc

Great in theory, but there's always that one ******* in every class who manages to do the most boner things possible.... and that's where the big problems arise. Especially when some of these "instructors" are teaching people to run before they walk and next thing you know there's drills involving shooting and multiple individuals, and then there's always the dickhead who doesn't do what he's told, and then darwin kicks in......

Ultimately it's safer to do two things: 1) Don't go downrange, and 2) Remove afforementioned boner from class. That makes things a lot safer in general.

If you're training with switched on guys and you trust them, then big boys are going to do what big boys are going to do. That being said it's hard to do that on a course with a bunch of unknown guys with unknown skill levels.....
 
Well said TDC, when we used to do live fire advance drills we would literally be shooting over peoples shoulders. Don't believe me check out some CAF videos online, there's one of a guy shooting a C6 like 8 inches over another soldiers head.
 
Great in theory, but there's always that one ******* in every class who manages to do the most boner things possible.... and that's where the big problems arise. Especially when some of these "instructors" are teaching people to run before they walk and next thing you know there's drills involving shooting and multiple individuals, and then there's always the dickhead who doesn't do what he's told, and then darwin kicks in......




Ultimately it's safer to do two things: 1) Don't go downrange, and 2) Remove afforementioned boner from class. That makes things a lot safer in general.

If you're training with switched on guys and you trust them, then big boys are going to do what big boys are going to do. That being said it's hard to do that on a course with a bunch of unknown guys with unknown skill levels.....

Its a big boy activity so big boy rules apply. I trust the instructors to remove those who are dangerous and have seen a few get removed from certain drills and one from the class entirely. Second you're an adult. If you don't feel its safe to participate with some of the others than don't. At the very least inform the instructor of your concerns with certain individuals and move on from there.

I understand most prefer the square range "safe"
Training style that mimics organized sport shooting. However regardless of the discipline you partake firearms are dangerous and people get shot when they are in play. I would sooner be shot in a training accident than get injured at work. Atleast I was doing something I enjoy.

Back to the topic at hand. Positioning yourself downrange although not as safe as being on the line is far from an issue if you have the skills discipline and maturity to work with it. Understand your ability your responsibility and the consequences of your actions before you get involved. If you're aware of these things than it becomes a non issue to be down range. Failing to understand these aspects and commenting on the participation of others who are involved is igorant and misinformed.

Tdc
 
Well said TDC, when we used to do live fire advance drills we would literally be shooting over peoples shoulders. Don't believe me check out some CAF videos online, there's one of a guy shooting a C6 like 8 inches over another soldiers head.

Are you really comparing built-up live fire training to that of the average bumpkin potentially receiving over the course of a weekend?

Great in theory...
If you're training with switched on guys and you trust them, then big boys are going to do what big boys are going to do. That being said it's hard to do that on a course with a bunch of unknown guys with unknown skill levels.....

+2

Watched that ambush unfold.
One certainly can't blame Yeager for the lengthy halt of the convoy, nor the speed and precision in the execution of the ambush.
An argument could go both ways on the outcome of if the lead vehicle was able to make a break, but there is certainly no arguing his breaking contact from the firefight and leaving his mates...DOUCHE.
 
Great in theory, but there's always that one ******* in every class who manages to do the most boner things possible.... and that's where the big problems arise. Especially when some of these "instructors" are teaching people to run before they walk and next thing you know there's drills involving shooting and multiple individuals, and then there's always the dickhead who doesn't do what he's told, and then darwin kicks in......

Ultimately it's safer to do two things: 1) Don't go downrange, and 2) Remove afforementioned boner from class. That makes things a lot safer in general.

If you're training with switched on guys and you trust them, then big boys are going to do what big boys are going to do. That being said it's hard to do that on a course with a bunch of unknown guys with unknown skill levels.....

The truth right here. Who wants to get a bullet in the back of the head just when your doing a course on a weekend.
 
You could take a round at the mall or at the range regardless of what you're up to.

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Not really. I guess i could get struck by lightning too, but then again, i dont run around outside with a 9 iron in my hand during a lightning show.
 
There is also the issue that he is in the business of making money. Part of his image seems to really piss people off, but regardless here we are talking about him and like they say, bad press in better than no press. He gets attention and gets Tactical Response a lot of exposure on web forums and You Tube for free.

I watch a lot of his videos and generally like and agree with what he has to say. The only reason I found out about him was from a thread about him being a major ####.
 
Discussion for the sake of discussion? Nice :). I don't see a point of comparing something that I could not buy in Canada. M-4 (M-16), AK-47, AK-74, all of them have their pros and cons. What I liked about this guy is the fact that he said all the time "use what you comfortable with". I 100% agree with him about it. I used all three of them (actually 4, or even 5 counting Galil - Israeli AK) and I think it's unfair to compare such different riffles.
 
You could take a round at the mall or at the range regardless of what you're up to.

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Not really. I guess i could get struck by lightning too, but then again, i dont run around outside with a 9 iron in my hand during a lightning show.

Yes really. People get shot all the time, no different than people being run over by vehicles. If people only engage in "safe" activities there wouldn't be much to do.

Discussion for the sake of discussion? Nice :). I don't see a point of comparing something that I could not buy in Canada. M-4 (M-16), AK-47, AK-74, all of them have their pros and cons. What I liked about this guy is the fact that he said all the time "use what you comfortable with". I 100% agree with him about it. I used all three of them (actually 4, or even 5 counting Galil - Israeli AK) and I think it's unfair to compare such different riffles.

Not everything online is geared for Canada, just like not everything online is geared for America. Regardless of the fact that Canadians can't legally possess most interesting firearms, the merits of each are still valid.

TDC
 
The BEST part of JY is that he stirs up **** with controversial videos. A] its entertaining B] it makes people think. what was wrong with the 1911's suck video? I love shooting them but he's right as rain; a non custom 1911 will insert poop into bed in a stressful training environment. Glocks do not. Glock are nice and boring no surprises. Last night at training I saw the first round of a drill randomly eject the mag on a 1911. also it was the only necessary malf clearing in the last 2 months of training [besides a CZ].

It's not like he's lying. He's just trying to upset you. Maybe it makes you think. He didnt say they arent nicer to shoot or that they dont look nice.

-chris


Maybe I missed it - but the US Army successfully fielded non custom 1911 pistols in combat for 80+ years. Oh Big Red and I carried 1911's in Iraq as well, and the guns did not spontaneously combust either...

Biggest problem with 1911's is like AR's is too many morons building clones or ****ing with good ones.

I'm not bagging on the Glock, I think its the perfect stupid person gun, and they are reliable. They are a good green side pistol as well, as they deal with dirt and debris better than custom 1911's.

As for Jame Yeager. I know him, he shoots a Glock very very well. I disagree with several other aspects on him. He is a nice guy in person as well.
The ERSM ambush, James ****ed up, and there were equally stupid mistakes by many on that team. The one thing he did I agreed with is bail into the ditch, but not the way he did it. Cars - especially soft skin vehicles are NOT cover, they are bullet magnets. Sometimes people die out of bad luck - however the fact the Brit TL had no low pro experience and panicked and blew them and left a low pro team in the open and vulnerable left the team as a target. James ****ed up by putting it in neutral and then thought it was disabled when they took rounds. It was a general **** show, and handing out score cards they all got an F, however that's armchair QB'ing.


I took a class in Abby with TR when I was still in the CF, it was a poorly run class, and the students for the most part where not up to the drills. PiperDown (if he posts here anymore) and I where muzzled by a student on TD1 and none of the staff knew or did anything. I generally felt stupider for going to the class.

I took the HR Driving Class since Tony Scotti was partnered -- the driving stuff was good, but the shooting stuff was to heavy on suppressive fire -- fun but not teaching much.

As I said I like James as a person, he's a good guy and opened his house to us, but I would only recommend folks to listen to his pistol shooting, as anyone who can shoot a Glock that well with Big Dot sights is a decent shooter, * I'd also not listen to his ideas on Big Dot sights...
 
Kevin, you're making it hard for me to choose which one of your quotes to add to my sigline. Bloody brilliant.

Edit: Which particular 1911 did you carry overseas, if you don't mind me asking.
 
Maybe I missed it - but the US Army successfully fielded non custom 1911 pistols in combat for 80+ years. Oh Big Red and I carried 1911's in Iraq as well, and the guns did not spontaneously combust either...

Biggest problem with 1911's is like AR's is too many morons building clones or ****ing with good ones.

I'm not bagging on the Glock, I think its the perfect stupid person gun, and they are reliable. They are a good green side pistol as well, as they deal with dirt and debris better than custom 1911's.

As for Jame Yeager. I know him, he shoots a Glock very very well. I disagree with several other aspects on him. He is a nice guy in person as well.
The ERSM ambush, James ****ed up, and there were equally stupid mistakes by many on that team. The one thing he did I agreed with is bail into the ditch, but not the way he did it. Cars - especially soft skin vehicles are NOT cover, they are bullet magnets. Sometimes people die out of bad luck - however the fact the Brit TL had no low pro experience and panicked and blew them and left a low pro team in the open and vulnerable left the team as a target. James ****ed up by putting it in neutral and then thought it was disabled when they took rounds. It was a general **** show, and handing out score cards they all got an F, however that's armchair QB'ing.


I took a class in Abby with TR when I was still in the CF, it was a poorly run class, and the students for the most part where not up to the drills. PiperDown (if he posts here anymore) and I where muzzled by a student on TD1 and none of the staff knew or did anything. I generally felt stupider for going to the class.

I took the HR Driving Class since Tony Scotti was partnered -- the driving stuff was good, but the shooting stuff was to heavy on suppressive fire -- fun but not teaching much.

As I said I like James as a person, he's a good guy and opened his house to us, but I would only recommend folks to listen to his pistol shooting, as anyone who can shoot a Glock that well with Big Dot sights is a decent shooter, * I'd also not listen to his ideas on Big Dot sights...

Here someone for you to debate TDC lol.
 
what's funny is that I don't agree with everything jy preaches and I don't agree with everything other schools teach. The real funny part is that I know kevinB. Thanks for the offer.

Tdc

Theres no way you agree with what he said, ive seen you say the opposite many times. You think a glock is a stupid persons gun?
 
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