My property has guard dog signs posted so no i would not get in trouble if someone came on my property, and as far as the guy who posted about harrows they would not be charged either as no one forced the dumb lawbreaker to drive over them! If he bothered to ask instead of break the law he would know about them.
What do you do with trespassers?
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A lot of farmers leave their harrows upside down so the don't sink into the dirt, the gate just happened to be where he left them
Im a farm kid who grew up Manitoba, we had tresspassers but leaving harrows upside down in gate is about as stupid as one can be. What happens when some young kid on his quad or snowmobile hits them and impales himself or throws him off his machine and he dies...Are you cool with that?
Or you think rottweillers are OK,,,how about the time when its -40 and you hit the ditch near a farm and go for help and get torn up by a crazy dog or you kids get torn up.
I've seen both this crap happen in my area and nobody won after these events.
Obviously the point you are not getting is that if there are signs up there should not be people going through with quads or snowmobiles should there.
As far as the dog goes he is a trained guard dog, if someone has a dog that will just rush out and bite then the dog should be penned up. When i talk of a dog going out and guarding the place he will bark and growl and warn you not to get to close to the house, he gives ample warning not to come closer.
Should someone hit the ditch and there is someone there to help they would investigate what is driving the dog nuts and tie him up, if there is no one home then you would have to go further for help anyway.
When i grew up on the farm there was times when we had complete fields wrecked from people tresspassing and doing donuts with vehicles, you can have whatever view you like but when your lively hood is wrecked by ignorant lawbreakers you might change your mind.
No tresspassing means exactly that, if you don't have permission to be there then stay the frick off.
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A sign clears you of nothing...I could argue that if you have a dog that is able/known to "attack/guard" then you knew it could (you posted a sign to the world saying so) hurt someone. What if it attacked a lost kid or someone who had a car break down and was looking for help or a phone to use?
Even IF I trespassed on your lawn...hunting or not and your dog attacked me...I could sue and win easily.
Wanna stop trespassing? Build a fence...a real one, not a 4 foot high wire one anyone can easily climb over/through/under or cut it down in about 2mins. But then...you don't get "your" deer coming into it anymore.
Yeah I agree they shouldn't go there but you think its ok to set up a trap that can potentially kill somebody??? Couple of 11 year old boys on their dirt bikes or sleds don't always think like a mature adult. I agree with other that ignorance is no excuse but when you are up on manslaughter charges and dealing with a death...you may wish you didn't put your harrows up
"Honest officer I didn't know it would have killed him"
I have a 6' fence and the dog is kept behind it, signs are posted on said fence to keep people from entering, and the fence is wood plank with 1'' gap between.
If you entered it and got bit then it would be 100% your fault, and yes i have checked into the legalitie's of it.
So let me get this straight, parking lots with spike strips are okay but harrows are not?
If the kid is deemed responsible enough to ride a quad or sled without supervision should he not be considered responsible enough to know what no tresspassing means?
When you spend a easy $20,000 dollars to put in a crop for the year and it is destroyed it does not take long to go bankrupt, most do not understand that!
There is no excuse for tresspassing with a quad or snowmobile or vehicle, if they are old enough to run said toys they are old enough to be responsible for them.
If the same 11 year old ran over a person and killed them because they were not responsible enough would it be allright to say they were just a kid and didn't think responsibly enough?
There is no excuse for being on land you don't have permission on, just like there is no excuse for being irresponsible with a vehicle or rifle, ignorance or not thinking about is no excuse.
In a space of 5 years a estimated $170,000 dollars was lost on the farm when i grew up, a 50/50 mix of others animals getting out and wrecking crop, and tresspassers tearing up the land, eventually the farm was lost due to peoples dissrespect.
So whatever excuses that you can come up with for people tresspassing are going to fall on deaf ears, there is no excuse period
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So basically, you feel that they got what they had coming if they are killed by maliciously setting traps?
As for the dog signs, it shows that you are admitting to owning a dangerous animal.No trespassing signs are the way to go to stay out of trouble with the dog and the law.Then you can argue that you didn't know the animal was dangerous and may have been startled and scared, the dog never bit anyone and is well behaved.Don't ask me to go into details how I found this out.
So what is the value you put on a human life?
As for the dog signs, it shows that you are admitting to owning a dangerous animal.No trespassing signs are the way to go to stay out of trouble with the dog and the law.Then you can argue that you didn't know the animal was dangerous and may have been startled and scared, the dog never bit anyone and is well behaved.Don't ask me to go into details how I found this out.
So what is the value you put on a human life?
I know, people don't understand why some people put out harrows or have dog's to guard property (Never did put up harrows, otherwise might still have the farm) what i am saying is that after having tresspassers cost my family their livelyhood at one point i can see why people do what they do.
I don't blame them for doing it either, not a single bit.
People seem to think there is a excuse for everything, well some don't believe that at all.
Makes me wonder sometimes how people call themselves responsible, when they always have a excuse for what they do wrong.
Killing someone or seriously harming them for trespassing is a joke... What where they harming or doing that was SO important that this punishment was required? Shooting a deer that you claim is "yours", stealing vegetables from your garden or even stealing tools from your shed? These are all serious things that they should be charged for but leave that to the police, none of these are fit crimes to kill or mime someone.
Kids cut across our land all the time to go play paintball in the neighboring woods...they stick to the tree line and leave things alone and cause no issues...is it okay for me to leave out some bear traps then? You won't blame me for making them loose a foot...right?
Kids cut across our land all the time to go play paintball in the neighboring woods...they stick to the tree line and leave things alone and cause no issues...is it okay for me to leave out some bear traps then? You won't blame me for making them loose a foot...right?
No one is being malicious, as i have stated i have not put harrows up myself, if i did i would probably put up a sign saying there was a spike strip up.
Let me ask you a question, whats a persons livelyhood worth, something they have worked their entire life to attain.
I can see posting on this subject was a mistake, people are to concerned it seems with the guilty getting away with harming the innocent, and making excuses for it.
i will stop on this thread as obviously my view is different than many others on here, i won't make excuses for others doing wrong.
If your livelihood is so seriously at risk that you may loose there are many steps you can take, that are cost effect (vs. the potential loss) that you can and should take. If you are unable to figure this out then maybe it is for them better and your calling might be working at the local fast food joint.
Really like what
The police were called many times, they did nothing
fences were put up, they just get cut down
looked into getting security to come out, wasn't cost effective
So what else could have been done?
I mean you seem to know everything right? what can you come up with.
As i stated to many liberal atitudes on this subject, not going to keep arguing with the left wing on here.
Done with this thread
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Ok I'll try answer it for myself.
Human life, $20,000 - $170,000 is what I am guessing.
Well your lively hood isn't worth much If 20K bankrupts you and you are running that close to the edge. Either it is time to stop farming, go work at Tim's or sell off some toys or hire an accountant to manage your funds for you.
If you came in my yard broke your leg on my icy steps guess what, there goes my lively hood also if you decide to sue me, but guess what, you were trespassing, you deserved it, I'll tell the judge that.Maybe I wet the steps down alsh and did my dog cause you severe injury when he bit you after you fell and couldn't get back up?He was just doing his job.
I am just replying with about the same sentiment as you.
Human life, $20,000 - $170,000 is what I am guessing.
Well your lively hood isn't worth much If 20K bankrupts you and you are running that close to the edge. Either it is time to stop farming, go work at Tim's or sell off some toys or hire an accountant to manage your funds for you.
If you came in my yard broke your leg on my icy steps guess what, there goes my lively hood also if you decide to sue me, but guess what, you were trespassing, you deserved it, I'll tell the judge that.Maybe I wet the steps down als
h and did my dog cause you severe injury when he bit you after you fell and couldn't get back up?He was just doing his job.I am just replying with about the same sentiment as you.
Repeat trespassers without conscience create landowners without conscience. The lawyers have a field day and everyone looses.
If you're out hunting and want access, ask. Turn in trespassers and poachers to the landowner and be willing to follow through to prosecution. I am not saying all situations require charges. More people are out every season that base their access on "I would rather ask forgiveness than permision" and it is ruining access for everyone that treats this issue with respect. If you aren't part of the solution you are part of the problem!
If you're out hunting and want access, ask. Turn in trespassers and poachers to the landowner and be willing to follow through to prosecution. I am not saying all situations require charges. More people are out every season that base their access on "I would rather ask forgiveness than permision" and it is ruining access for everyone that treats this issue with respect. If you aren't part of the solution you are part of the problem!
If the person is trespassing according to the laws in your province, then press charges. If the person found a loophole, which appears to be the case in this situation , the prosecutor will tell you that he has no case, so there is not a lot that can be done legally. Yes the trespasser probably saw the signs on the other gates, but you can be sure that he will deny that, and play innocent if he is charged. I do know of landowners that used to leave a few rocks in the 12" range behind their posted gates. They can be hard on vehicles, and they aren't easy to see in the dark, or with snow on the ground, especially if a person is in a hurry, as in being chased by a landowner. Of course if a trespasser complains, they simply fell off of the load of rocks that was being hauled away.
What loophole? Please explain.
