Bye Bye Glock

BurnabySoldier said:
The Shadow is good for competitions but other than that.....
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...beside punching paper and what you mention, what other use is there for civilians? my car alarm went off, and i went for foot and a half long mag flash lights, not my guns...

and i've shot 10mm, 9mm, .45 glocks.. hated all of them. all the glocks i've shot had been painful for my hands. some of us don't like the grip angle and brick shape of the handles, so don't be hatin' other just because we like different guns.
 
has there ever been a discussion about my gun vs. glock that didnt end in my gun is better? :p

i have owned a few different glocks, 22,29,19,17. everytime i buy one, i always end up selling it. Just traded my 19 for a sig. :p

i really like the 92fs, always grouped the best for me. but it is big. 1911's are good, but i hate the takedown of them. especially ones that you need a BBL wrench for. Never fired a sig, so if she shoots as good as it looks, ive found a keeper.
As for the shadow, ive never really been interested in it.
 
Glocks are like Alexander Keith's Ale ! those who like them like them a lot ! personally I hate the stuff , this compares to the Ford Chey Dodge debate .... get what you want and what works for you , they make different choices for a reason .
 
trebor2880 said:
Clocks are great guns...to have had!:)
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Clocks?....something new:)
When I first got my G17 gen3 (to see what all the rave was about) I wasn't crazy about the feel of the grip. It also looked weird to me.
I installed a Pacmyer slip-on and learned to shoot it. It's now my favourite 9mm and I shoot it the best. I've gotten so used to it other HG's now look weird to me. My G21 gen4 fits me perfectly with the med backstrap.
I can't comment on the other HG's mentioned but Glocks work for me. YMMV

Glocks are like Harley's...either you get it or you don't.
 
Woodeneye said:
I dont think thats a fair comparison either,I'd say Glocks are like Japanese bikes...Light,tight and fast,not like some old,loose oil leaking Harley.
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I'm not comparing Glocks as Harley's.....I'm refering to the mindset of ownership to either. I guess you didn't get it.....
 
There's nothing to get about Glocks. They're cheap, light, accurate enough, very reliable, and very durable. Every conceivable accessory exists for them...holsters, sights, lights. lasers...everything.

There is no mystique. They are just good pistols.




1911s are like harleys...they are an outdated design with a ton of charm and personality, and they usually work pretty well, until somebody gets hold of a parts catalogue and a dremel tool.
 
misanthropist said:
There's nothing to get about Glocks. They're cheap, light, accurate enough, very reliable, and very durable. Every conceivable accessory exists for them...holsters, sights, lights. lasers...everything.

There is no mystique. They are just good pistols.




1911s are like harleys...they are an outdated design with a ton of charm and personality, and they usually work pretty well, until somebody gets hold of a parts catalogue and a dremel tool.
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That's pretty much it, isn't it? 1911's still work fine as always and are great to shoot, but people sure know how to f#ck one up. Glocks are usually good to go out of the box and are very rewarding once you master the trigger reset and grip characteristics (I find the 1911 a bit easier to get used to but am spoiled with an Armco trigger). A properly QA'd model of either with regular maintenance will both last a long time. I somewhat prefer the M&P ergos to the Glock myself but at least I can say I've tried both and shoot one a bit better than the other - the Glock feels weird but I shoot it best.

The Beretta's and CZ's are ###y to look at and work well in most situations, but if I wanted a gun that would go bang all the time I'll sooner take old slabsides or a Glock, myself (maybe a SIG with SRT if it had to be a DA/SA gun).
 
When they start making 1911s that require no hand fitting of parts, I'll change my mind. Unfortunately, 1911s don't follow spec as much as fit...that makes them outdated by today's standards. Want a new extractor? Okay, put one in, bend it, flop it around a bit, bend it a little more, check it, fire it a bit, take it apart, bend it a bit, fire it, and go.

Want a new extractor in your Glock? Buy one. It's probably going to cost you 87 cents and can be replaced in under four seconds.

I love 1911s. Emotionally I prefer them to Glocks, or anything else that goes bang, frankly. They are my bar-none favourite machines.

They are also totally outdated, and until somebody like Bill Riehl finishes a complete spec guide for every part, and a method of mass producing parts like perfectly tuned extractors, that's not changing.
 
misanthropist said:
When they start making 1911s that require no hand fitting of parts, I'll change my mind. Unfortunately, 1911s don't follow spec as much as fit...that makes them outdated by today's standards. Want a new extractor? Okay, put one in, bend it, flop it around a bit, bend it a little more, check it, fire it a bit, take it apart, bend it a bit, fire it, and go.

Want a new extractor in your Glock? Buy one. It's probably going to cost you 87 cents and can be replaced in under four seconds.

I love 1911s. Emotionally I prefer them to Glocks, or anything else that goes bang, frankly. They are my bar-none favourite machines.

They are also totally outdated, and until somebody like Bill Riehl finishes a complete spec guide for every part, and a method of mass producing parts like perfectly tuned extractors, that's not changing.
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Did you have to go talking sense in a perfectly good thread? :)
 
Woodeneye said:
If you dont get it,so what,others do and so did i so i bought one to see how it compares to a buddys"authentic" 92.
Its only 500 dollars...phhhhhh. From what i seen and researched about the YG 16 it should be just fine for my needs.
And FFS its not the only hand gun i own.
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I was laughing because what TDC said was funny, not because it was true. I don't know if it's going to be true, and I kinda hope it won't be, to be honest.

Regardless, you're right - I should compare them, but I can't find any where I live. I'm just surprised at their popularity, honestly, since it's not all that much more for the original (25% lower cost?). Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if your YG has better steel than the Berettas.

Now, I love me a good knock-off (witness several Norincos in my collection), but mostly because I can have me a "good enough" version for MUCH less than an original (say, 50% cost savings, or even more). Heck, some of those economy buys have gone far beyond "good enough".
 
misanthropist said:
When they start making 1911s that require no hand fitting of parts, I'll change my mind. Unfortunately, 1911s don't follow spec as much as fit...that makes them outdated by today's standards. Want a new extractor? Okay, put one in, bend it, flop it around a bit, bend it a little more, check it, fire it a bit, take it apart, bend it a bit, fire it, and go.

Want a new extractor in your Glock? Buy one. It's probably going to cost you 87 cents and can be replaced in under four seconds.

I love 1911s. Emotionally I prefer them to Glocks, or anything else that goes bang, frankly. They are my bar-none favourite machines.

They are also totally outdated, and until somebody like Bill Riehl finishes a complete spec guide for every part, and a method of mass producing parts like perfectly tuned extractors, that's not changing.
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You're right, BUT how about the fact that you can make a 1911 from scratch in a poorly equipped bicycle repair shop in a suburb of Ulaanbaatar? You need some pretty serious infrastructure to make a Glock... A bit of an exaggeration, but there's some value there... That's the flipside of a design that is / should / will always be hand-fit in nature.

And isn't it amazing how every single thread that mentions deciding against Glock necessarily brings up the 1911? It's like Godwin's Rule of Nazi Analogies. But for guns.
 
If you see the ability to build barely-functional copies of the gun in the third world as an advantage, I guess that could be considered a plus.

Since my primary interest in guns is having them function, to me this seems like a fairly irrelevant matter. And since I don't hang around khyber pass arms markets, whether they can hack out something that looks vaguely like a 1911 or not also seems a little insignificant.



You can build a replica of a Wright Brothers glider in your garage. But the tactical advantage still seems to belong to organizations that can afford jet fighters.
 
alpining said:
You're right, BUT how about the fact that you can make a 1911 from scratch in a poorly equipped bicycle repair shop in a suburb of Ulaanbaatar? You need some pretty serious infrastructure to make a Glock... A bit of an exaggeration, but there's some value there... That's the flipside of a design that is / should / will always be hand-fit in nature.

And isn't it amazing how every single thread that mentions deciding against Glock necessarily brings up the 1911? It's like Godwin's Rule of Nazi Analogies. But for guns.
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Its not amazing, its pathetic. The ignorant blind cult like following of the 1911 is no less alarming than that of the Nazi party. I'm not saying 1911 fans are nazi's, just that they blindly follow rhetoric like one. 1911's are outdated dinosaurs that are far from optimal for duty/MIL/CCW or competitive uses.

TDC
 
misanthropist said:
If you see the ability to build barely-functional copies of the gun in the third world as an advantage, I guess that could be considered a plus.

Since my primary interest in guns is having them function, to me this seems like a fairly irrelevant matter. And since I don't hang around khyber pass arms markets, whether they can hack out something that looks vaguely like a 1911 or not also seems a little insignificant.



You can build a replica of a Wright Brothers glider in your garage. But the tactical advantage still seems to belong to organizations that can afford jet fighters.
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LOL!

I'm guessing you can make highly functional pistols in the third world (or anywhere, for that matter) with relatively primitive equipment, if you throw a bit more capital at the process.

You're right in that if we have a reliable supply chain, we can enjoy any of these pistols as solid options. But there is an advantage to the, ahem, primitive nature of the 1911. If our supply chain is disrupted for any serious length of time, I can make spare parts for my 1911. Can't do that for my Glock.

I'm not much of a TEOTWAWKI guy, but that is a potential advantage of the 1911. Just sayin...
 
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