Bye Bye Glock

[jeffcarr88]

That wasn't an opinion, that was a very weak ad-hominem attack directed towards me. I've seen more than most on this forum I know what they look like. An opinion is your stance with regards to a particular topic. You did not make such a claim in your last 2 posts. So I ask again, do you have anything productive or intelligent to add?

TDC

You...in this and in other posts...cannot let it go that people dislike Glocks and think they are ****. I do...but I also don't care what people shoot, my g/f has a gen 2 G17 and that is fine by me. Glock lovers just have to talk about how much better their pistol is, ALWAYS no matter what it is up against and that is the annoying part.

...IPSC matches are like circle jerks of overweight Glock boys talking up their toys. What fun would be be if everyone shot the same gun?

 

[easysauce]

cant we all just get along?

If you cant be with the gun you love , love the gun you're with...

or something like that...

 

[newshot]

I can prove that Glocks are one of the best guns on the market. My proof: I absolutely hate them, but own 2. It took me a while to come around to the idea that shooting is not just about comfort and a super light trigger. It is about balancing absolute reliability, simplicity of function and accuracy.

 

[johNTO]

I'm sure Woodeneye didn't think his thread would turn out this way(or perhaps he did) but I'm enjoying it. At the very least I have a better understanding why I like my Glock.

 

[Woodeneye]

:QUOTE=johNTO;7882552]I'm sure Woodeneye didn't think his thread would turn out this way(or perhaps he did) but I'm enjoying it. QUOTE]



No i didnt, It is funny that i get ripped for selling something(GLOCK17) that i didnt need at the moment,And as i stated before i will probably purchase another,probly a G19,I buy what i want cause i know what i like.
I really didnt like the way the block felt in my hand but it was very accurate and reliable but it bounced alot of brass off my forehead and other peoples too and so it wasnt perfect(gasp)so it was time to go.

And to TDC,lay off the purple coolaid for awhile,We all know that your a Glock fan boi and love to stir the *hit pile

 

[Trigun]

I can prove that Glocks are one of the best guns on the market. My proof: I absolutely hate them, but own 2. It took me a while to come around to the idea that shooting is not just about comfort and a super light trigger. It is about balancing absolute reliability, simplicity of function and accuracy.

Well said well said, I hated them for many years and really don't understand what the world people will pay money to buy this ugly gun but hey I have two G17s now. It wasn't better than any of my other gun really, but just I found I shoot them the most.

Trigun

 

[TDC]

You...in this and in other posts...cannot let it go that people dislike Glocks and think they are ****. I do...but I also don't care what people shoot, my g/f has a gen 2 G17 and that is fine by me. Glock lovers just have to talk about how much better their pistol is, ALWAYS no matter what it is up against and that is the annoying part.

...IPSC matches are like circle jerks of overweight Glock boys talking up their toys. What fun would be be if everyone shot the same gun?

The bold is the problem. If you can't support your reason as to why you dislike a Glock, then you're wrong. If its personal choice, fine. If someone claims they're inaccurate, unreliable, dangerous, poor trigger, etc etc then I have a problem with that. Bullsh*t information being passed by uneducated trigger jerkers is what I aim to dispel. Proclaiming that Glocks suck and 1911's are the best gun ever is just too big a carrot(and an easy one) to avoid.

When you have something productive and/or intelligent to add, feel free to come back.

TDC

 

[yohann160]

Only politically correct people like glocks.

 

[jeffcarr88]

The bold is the problem. If you can't support your reason as to why you dislike a Glock, then you're wrong. If its personal choice, fine. If someone claims they're inaccurate, unreliable, dangerous, poor trigger, etc etc then I have a problem with that. Bullsh*t information being passed by uneducated trigger jerkers is what I aim to dispel. Proclaiming that Glocks suck and 1911's are the best gun ever is just too big a carrot(and an easy one) to avoid.

When you have something productive and/or intelligent to add, feel free to come back.

TDC

I hate the trigger, hate the grip feel and angle, hate that you need to pull to trigger to disassemble it, hate the tiny slide release, hate the looks (although looks mean nothing for performance) AND I hate that everyone and their dog has one.

That is why I hate Glocks...but don't worry I also dislike 1911s...I find them (some) pretty looking guns and they are accurate but I do not think they are durable enough, they do not hole enough rounds and they are over priced just cause its a 1911.

 

[mr00jimbo]

Brand loyalty turns into a pissing match of, "I'm right, you're wrong." People feel, since they have spend several hundred dollars on a product, that somebody else knocking it is a blow to their taste and a valuable possession that they own.
Having a collection with all Glocks, or all one brand, would be boring as all hell. I have two Glocks and love them. I also have Sig Sauers and a gorgeous 1911.
Have firearm diversity and if somebody doesn't like a certain gun, they don't have to buy it.


I would definitely own an M&P or an XD[M] to compliment my Glocks and wouldn't feel like it had to be one or the other. And when i meet somebody who doesn't like Glock I say, "oh well that's fine"...unless they tell me they're all junk and nobody should buy them.

 

[Woodeneye]

I hate the trigger, hate the grip feel and angle, hate that you need to pull to trigger to disassemble it, hate the tiny slide release, hate the looks (although looks mean nothing for performance) AND I hate that everyone and their dog has one.

That is why I hate Glocks...but don't worry I also dislike 1911s...I find them (some) pretty looking guns and they are accurate but I do not think they are durable enough, they do not hole enough rounds and they are over priced just cause its a 1911.

H@K have the greatest handguns ever built.... Everyone knows that.

 

[vermintrex]

I've got a Sig 226 and an HK45, and really enjoy both, but I'll probably end up buying a Glock just to see what the big deal is.....oh and a Walther P99AS...and maybe another HK....probably should own a S&W 686 too.....um, yeah.....oh and a Colt M1911 A1...yes, thats it....that's all I need......maybe another Sig, but that's it for sure.

 

[TDC]

I hate the trigger, hate the grip feel and angle, hate that you need to pull to trigger to disassemble it, hate the tiny slide release, hate the looks (although looks mean nothing for performance) AND I hate that everyone and their dog has one.

That is why I hate Glocks...but don't worry I also dislike 1911s...I find them (some) pretty looking guns and they are accurate but I do not think they are durable enough, they do not hole enough rounds and they are over priced just cause its a 1911.

There you go. Those are your personal opinions on why YOU dislike Glocks. I could comfortably argue against them, but you stated them as your reasons not absolutes about the design. I do agree that a fair number of 1911's are over priced simply because they're 1911's, and yes they don't carry enough rounds.

Brand loyalty turns into a pissing match of, "I'm right, you're wrong." People feel, since they have spend several hundred dollars on a product, that somebody else knocking it is a blow to their taste and a valuable possession that they own.
Having a collection with all Glocks, or all one brand, would be boring as all hell. I have two Glocks and love them. I also have Sig Sauers and a gorgeous 1911.
Have firearm diversity and if somebody doesn't like a certain gun, they don't have to buy it.

I would definitely own an M&P or an XD[M] to compliment my Glocks and wouldn't feel like it had to be one or the other. And when i meet somebody who doesn't like Glock I say, "oh well that's fine"...unless they tell me they're all junk and nobody should buy them.

It has nothing to do with brand loyalty. I couldn't care less who makes the gun(aside from off shore knock off companies). I run what I do because they work and have features that are necessary for a reliable service type firearm. If there were a make/model that offered more advantages without compromising reliability I would run it. I don't have a "collection" of firearms. I have specific tools for specific roles. Not that I wouldn't like a wide and vast array of firearms just to admire and toy with. However, my budget and training time doesn't allow for such. Firearms are tools first, toys a distant second. Its not the variety or quantity and never the "looks" that is my main concern when purchasing or using a firearm, its performance...

TDC

 

[Canuck44]

So let me get this straight. The almighty Colt decided on their own to use different dimensions for the "best" pistol ever? If that is indeed the case, then what makes the 1911 so great? I mean, you admit that two manufacturers(at least) were running two different sets of specs. The question I have is why would a company change the spec from the original design??

TDC

When was the last time you swapped grips with your Gen 2 from your Gen 4 Glock. Have you seen the design changes in the barrels of the Glocks over the four generations? Are the frames on the Gen 1 the same as the Gen 4? Was the Gen 4. Glocks latest pistol, reliable out of the box.....err not quite Grasshoper and some say they stil haven't got it right. All designs evolve over time TDC, sometimes with good results sometimes not. I know of at least three internal changes made to the M&P since it's introduction. Of the changes all seem to be directed at strengthening the design. Manufacturers have to make money to stay in business and sometimes changes are made to facilitate this objective. You should have discovered that by now TDC the world is not perfect.

As to reliability I know of few modern designs that are not reliable out of the box. That said at this summers Washington State match I witnessed four Glock 17's jam on the stage I was workiing. One may have been attributable to ammunition, at least one to limp wrisiting and the other two only Glock God knows, although one may have had a broken extractor. No other designs jammed on our stage. The guns were stock Glocks with better sights then factory and I assume Glock internals.
Out of the 100 shooters at the event I would guess maybe 30 were shooting Glocks, perhaps less.

Does that make a all Glocks jammamatics. Nope. Does it mean they are a bad design, certainly not. Does it mean they are like any other mechanical device...yup.
Most shooters on this forum understand this TDC and make their handgun purchases for their own personal reasons all of which are valid. It would be nice if you didn't pi$$ on everyones corn flakes just because they find the Glock design not to their liking.

Take Care

Bob

 

[Sambaru]

I would definitely own an M&P or an XD[M] to compliment my Glocks and wouldn't feel like it had to be one or the other. And when i meet somebody who doesn't like Glock I say, "oh well that's fine"...unless they tell me they're all junk and nobody should buy them.

Pretty much sums it up.

When I hear the brand bashing on this forum, it sounds like this: "Your jeans are Levi? Those are trash! Throw them out and get yourself some real jeans made by Buffalo."

Equally as ridiculous. I am about as opinionated as one can get on certain topics but even still, it sounds ridiculous. Part of a hobby is preference and not everyone's preference is the same. Now I admit I do feel some guns are superior to others but that's my preference and it doesn't have to be everyone else's. I will always give recommendations when asked but I would never judge anyone for their choice of firearm, just like I wouldn't for wearing a certain brand. It's the attitudes that I hate and will relentlessly mock... the hipster, holier than thou, mine is best and yours is worst type BS. Responsible Canadian gun owners have soooo much garbage we have to deal with with "our" government and all the sheep... and to me, any gun is better than no gun.

Having said that, Glocks, M&Ps, and 1911s are the best and all other handguns are worthless pieces of trash lol j/k

 

[vermintrex]

My way of thinking.....take any QUALITY pistol.......clean it properly, use quality ammunition, operate it safely and with a reasonable amount of skill...I'd wager the differences between platforms, barring malfunctions which can happen to any pistol, is almost unmeasurable.

Failures are almost always attributable to operator error, which frankly...kinda scares the poop outta me, especially when the bachelor/bachelorette parties show up at the range. That's when I tend to pack up.

 

[trebor2880]

Glock 17's have their place in the shooting community.
An elderly gentleman in our gun glub, readily admits to prefering the "plastic" pistols in 9mm.
Some shooters don't have the strength anymore, to shoot a steel frame gun.
And accuracy, dependability, and reliability aren't a priority, either.
They just want to have fun with a centerfire.
I would imagine the same reasoning might hold true with the weaker ###.

 

[redryder]

LOL Good one, and no one got hooked. LOL

Glock 17's have their place in the shooting community.
An elderly gentleman in our gun glub, readily admits to prefering the "plastic" pistols in 9mm.
Some shooters don't have the strength anymore, to shoot a steel frame gun.
And accuracy, dependability, and reliability aren't a priority, either.
They just want to have fun with a centerfire.
I would imagine the same reasoning might hold true with the weaker ###.

 

[MUGEN]

When was the last time you swapped grips with your Gen 2 from your Gen 4 Glock. Have you seen the design changes in the barrels of the Glocks over the four generations? Are the frames on the Gen 1 the same as the Gen 4? Was the Gen 4. Glocks latest pistol, reliable out of the box.....err not quite Grasshoper and some say they stil haven't got it right. All designs evolve over time TDC, sometimes with good results sometimes not. I know of at least three internal changes made to the M&P since it's introduction. Of the changes all seem to be directed at strengthening the design. Manufacturers have to make money to stay in business and sometimes changes are made to facilitate this objective. You should have discovered that by now TDC the world is not perfect. As to reliability I know of few modern designs that are not reliable out of the box. That said at this summers Washington State match I witnessed four Glock 17's jam on the stage I was workiing. One may have been attributable to ammunition, at least one to limp wrisiting and the other two only Glock God knows, although one may have had a broken extractor. No other designs jammed on our stage. The guns were stock Glocks with better sights then factory and I assume Glock internals. Out of the 100 shooters at the event I would guess maybe 30 were shooting Glocks, perhaps less. Does that make a all Glocks jammamatics. Nope. Does it mean they are a bad design, certainly not. Does it mean they are like any other mechanical device...yup. Most shooters on this forum understand this TDC and make their handgun purchases for their own personal reasons all of which are valid. It would be nice if you didn't pi$$ on everyones corn flakes just because they find the Glock design not to their liking. Take Care Bob

This Make sense to me.

 

[cbabes]

It has been said many times that we are our own worst enemies in the shooting community! Nobody should be telling others what is the best gun and not to buy another gun because their own reasons justify it. I own five Glocks now. A 17, 21, 27, 34 and 35 but I am a gun enthusiast and shoot not only Glock but my 1911s, Tanfoglio, etc. in IPSC and at for target shooting. Seems some people, especially the ones touting Glock, think guns should be used for self defense and nothing else. It's almost as bad as the Fudd hunters who think we shouldn't own handguns. Every gun is the best gun depending the shooter's desires.