Cheap AR?

OP, I wouldn't go with a Norc, for one reason and one reason only - barrel length.

The Norc doesn't come with a 20" barrel (I'm assuming your Reserve unit has C7's), IIRC the longest barrel you can find on a Norc is 14.5".

If you're looking to simulate your issue rifle as closely as possible, I think you'll need an AR with a flattop receiver and a 20" barrel to put under that Elcan C79 you want.

Oh, BTW, just in case you don't know this, you won't legally be able to use 30 rnd magazines in your personal AR on a civilian range.
 
shredder said:
OP, I wouldn't go with a Norc, for one reason and one reason only - barrel length.

The Norc doesn't come with a 20" barrel (I'm assuming your Reserve unit has C7's), IIRC the longest barrel you can find on a Norc is 14.5".

If you're looking to simulate your issue rifle as closely as possible, I think you'll need an AR with a flattop receiver and a 20" barrel to put under that Elcan C79 you want.

Oh, BTW, just in case you don't know this, you won't legally be able to use 30 rnd magazines in your personal AR on a civilian range.
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As a second point, the Norc is ugly as :bigHug::bigHug::bigHug::bigHug: and just looks awkward. I didn't intend to use a 30 round mag, as much as I would love to rip those mag pins out, a fire arms offense will abruptly end my military career. Does Colt make an AR with a 20" inch barrel? I really don't know how I over looked that fact when I did my research.
 
Have a look at the Stags that Arms East carries. Link at top of page. Model 4R. Exact configuration you are looking for, unless you want the collapsible stock found on the latest C7s.
 
easysauce said:
NEA's have the best barrel for a thousand dollar gun, you wont be disappointed,

you can also get it in whatever length you want,

cheap, accurate as hell, and made in canada, plus you get a lifetime warranty, not to mention comes with a quad rail thats pretty ergonomic, and has a lot of other extra features you just dont find at that price point
http://www.theammosource.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=2_24_284
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Bought one of their DMR barrels. I wouldn't call it accurate as hell. It is OK.
 
Sequoia said:
As a second point, the Norc is ugly as :bigHug::bigHug::bigHug::bigHug: and just looks awkward. I didn't intend to use a 30 round mag, as much as I would love to rip those mag pins out, a fire arms offense will abruptly end my military career. Does Colt make an AR with a 20" inch barrel? I really don't know how I over looked that fact when I did my research.
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colt does make AR-15's with a 20" barrel but i believe they are all HBAR profile...you would need a rifle with a government profile to replicate your goal

stag as mentioned is a very good option...you may want to look into armalite as well
 
Sequoia said:
As a second point, the Norc is ugly as :bigHug::bigHug::bigHug::bigHug: and just looks awkward. I didn't intend to use a 30 round mag, as much as I would love to rip those mag pins out, a fire arms offense will abruptly end my military career. Does Colt make an AR with a 20" inch barrel? I really don't know how I over looked that fact when I did my research.
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Contact irungun, I am sure they can get you a 20" barrel colt ar15
 
Well if club hipper is right and it only comes in the heavy barrel version. It's not what I want, since i've decided I want to drop some actually salary on this thing, I want it as close to the C7 as possible so I'm going to need a gov profile weapon. But since Colt makes theC7 I would assume I could get on from then in that format.
 
I'd like to point out that you don't NEED a 20" AR to effectively train/practice to shoot a C7. The the actual use of any AR is the same assuming you don't start adding things like BAD levers which cahange the way you operate the gun.

Think about it, the bolt release is the same, the charging handle will be pretty much the same (on any traditional AR upper anyway), the mag release and saftey will be the same except for the option of ambi controls, the forward assist will be the same (I assume the C7 and C8 retain the FA).

Does the CF retrain people when they switch from using a C7 to a C8? I highly doubt it.

Training with the correct optic would help although it's not a huge deal if you use a different one. Also if you are gonna be using an AR with a quad rail to train for using the C7, I would suggest you try and maintain the same type of grip on the forend even though a quad rail may offer superior options.

I suppose something else that you might not think about is that you should try and get a mil-spec trigger in your rifle because switching from a custom match trigger to a mil-spec one might mess you up.

Oh and to the OP, I say go with the Colt if you can afford it, it is a lot of bang for your buck with the prices on them these days.

Just my thoughts.
 
If you are looking for special treatment regarding firearms because you are in the military it is not going to happen.
I like the 20" government profile Stags ArmsEast makes a good A1 and A2 clone.
 
Sequoia said:
As a second point, the Norc is ugly as :bigHug::bigHug::bigHug::bigHug: and just looks awkward. I didn't intend to use a 30 round mag, as much as I would love to rip those mag pins out, a fire arms offense will abruptly end my military career. Does Colt make an AR with a 20" inch barrel? I really don't know how I over looked that fact when I did my research.
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What you're looking for is a Colt Match Target (MT6700) model. Yes, it has a heavy barrel as compared to a gov't profile barrel but who cares? For your purposes, that's splitting hairs. Besides, didn't you want this rifle to improve your basic shooting skills? Heavy barrels are going to give you an edge in this department. They're plenty accurate with a load it likes and proper shooting technique. Mine absolutely LOVES IVI.

Do yourself a favour and avoid the Norinco and the NEA. If you want to be the best shooter you can then it's imperitive to start with a competent known quantity for a rifle. I seriously doubt you'd ever shoot enough to wear out the barrel of any AR, let alone a Colt.

Just get the basic rifle and an Elcan and start shooting. If you want to shoot a rifle that is close to the same specs as the current CF rifle, then the Elcan is a must. Don't buy the cheap Chinese knockoff. You're wasting your time and money.

Cheapest, most effective way to improve the trigger pull and feel? Polish the mating surfaces and install a $10 JP Enterprises light weight trigger spring. Trust me, you'll thank me later.

If you want to replace the A2 style stock with a carbine style to replicate the CF rifle, you can do so very cheaply. CAR or M4 style stock are dirt cheap as just about everyone ditches them for Magpul stocks. You'll just need the appropriate extension tube, spring, and buffer. There again, mimimal cash outlay.
 
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I want too improve my shooting skills, but more specifically I want to improve my shooting skills with the C7.. I don't want to get a heavy barrel and then go to do my PWT3 next year, not have the heavy barrel, and then lose my master marksmen because I'm more used to how the rifle behaves with a heavy barrel and a custom load. If I'm looking way to much onto this some one please tell me.
 
Sequoia said:
I want too improve my shooting skills, but more specifically I want to improve my shooting skills with the C7.. I don't want to get a heavy barrel and then go to do my PWT3 next year, not have the heavy barrel, and then lose my master marksmen because I'm more used to how the rifle behaves with a heavy barrel and a custom load. If I'm looking way to much onto this some one please tell me.
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The basic shooting skills and muscle memory you learn through practice will benefit you regardless if your rifle is an exact copy of a C7 or not. You're reading far too much into this and over-thinking the situation. Since you can NEVER truly own a C7 then your selection is all going to be about compromises, right? How could you possibly become an inferrior shooter by shooting superior equipment? The only difference in handling you would notice is a slight difference in weight due to the heavy barrel. If you believe in Colt's "Match Target" designation, they presumably put a better quality barrel with a heavier taper to improve accuracy. Though, that may be debatable.

Here's something you haven't even mentioned yet. Ammunition. Since the CF is unlikely to give you 5.56mm IVI for your personal shooting, it would be very easy to duplicate the ballistics of 5.56mm IVI through hadloading. I take it you do not handload at this point either? So, you're left with learning to reload, sourcing 5.56mm IVI, or finding ammo that will give you similar ballistics.

Whatever you decide to do, good luck!
 
I would like to get into hand loading, I love the whole, reliant on your self for things, aspect. I've heard it's kind of ridiculously over controlled as it's considered making explosives? How accurate is that information?
 
JDForBrkFst said:
What the f**k is a master marksmen? As for the topic, the Armalite is probably your best bang for your buck imo.
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I'm glad I wasn't the only person wondering what this is. All I've ever heard was marksman, crown over crossed rifles. As for the OP wanting to improve your shooting. Nice to see some people that still care about improving themselves as soldiers. But don't let that be your only reason for wanting to do all this. With all the cutbacks coming down the pipe it would suck if you spent all the money on getting set up and then resented it when your unit doesn't go out to the range or your class whatever contract isn't resigned. Not trying to bring you down, just make sure the investment is worth it and can be enjoyed even if you weren't in the reserves. My vote is for the DD by the way, but for your purpose perhaps the Colt would be more suited to you.
 
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