CZ 858 Trigger Pull

Kudos to Ryan @ SFRC. I now own a CZ 858. Trigger is a smooth 6lbs then suddenly breaks.
No gritty creep. Not bad, I can deal with and see how I can improve it.
Thanks to all who responded. Updates later this winter.
 
markp said:
if you get the non-restricted version 858 it is more accurate then a sks because of the longer barrel. If your looking for a gun that's fun too shoot, reliable, easy to maintain, has lots of aftermarket accessories you can't go wrong with the cz 858 or even a good sks.
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I love them they are great rifles but they are not chrome lined which is why I gave mine up for an FSN from Marstar. Essentially same design but the bore is chrome lined I prefer the added protection
 
I thought all chromed lined barrels are restricted with the exception of the few that were brought in years ago. Why is the FSN better than a CZ 858 restricted model?
Why do you need added protection?
I prefer the non-chromed bore whenever I can get it because I seek an accuracy edge more so than anything else. I'm not into thousand round torture tests without cleaning. I also need a rifle I can tinker with in my backyard. Range guns only can be a problem for that reason.
 
lejarretnoir said:
Does somebody carry spare trigger parts for these rifles?
Looks like some experimenting is in order for a match trigger design. I think there would be an interest in it with the amount of rifles and mods everyone does to them for CQB.
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If you're shooting short range ala cqb you don't need a match trigger. Its a service rifle not a competition gun.

Tdc
 
JDForBrkFst said:
^ Or he can do whatever he wants....

I believe trigger work could greater improve its performance in CQB. It's reset is way to long.
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Improve what? Cqb is about speed with acceptable levels of accuracy. A zone in ipsc targets is very easy to achieve with a stock trigger. A good compensator will return a higher payoff for cqb than a reworked trigger.

Tdc
 
Speed. Shorter reset=faster. Why else would Giessele create those triggers for 3 gun? Acceptable accuracy acheived through a trigger that breaks clean, it is less likely to throw shots off. Especially under stress of time.

Stock triggers easy for who? Everyone? With enough practice yes, an improved trigger allows that to happen with less practice.
 
JDForBrkFst said:
Speed. Shorter reset=faster. Why else would Giessele create those triggers for 3 gun? Acceptable accuracy acheived through a trigger that breaks clean, it is less likely to throw shots off. Especially under stress of time.

Stock triggers easy for who? Everyone? With enough practice yes, an improved trigger allows that to happen with less practice.
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Valid points. however if you haven't mastered the stock trigger you likely haven't mastered recoil management which makes a short crisp trigger a waste of effort. I run a chip McCormick trigger in my ar and an alg in the other ar. I shoot my vz just as fast with a stock trigger. Only hits count so missing faster is not a net gain in performance.

Tdc
 
True, to a point. It boils down to practice, I believe less practice with a better trigger will have the same result as more practice with a stock one. But this all depends on the variables, how good is the stock trigger? How much less practice does one need with an improved trigger? To be honest I don't know, I've only ever taught the fundamentals to a few. I do believe that one should start with a stock trigger until a level of proficiency is gained.

Another thought. If one is very used to one type of trigger in a rifle. Spending their adult life running it at work and in play, they will very likely have trouble running a very different trigger. Or at least in my experience. I make the comparison between stock AR and the CZ. I can shoot the CZ well at a slow and medium rate but falter at competition speeds. I've shot it quite a bit and feel that some improvements to it would help me a great deal. As we all fall back to what we know under the stress of competition, etc.
 
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OMG...you want a trigger job on a medium range, battle rifle...learn to shoot!!!

#1 improvement for this gun...better ammo.
 
JDForBrkFst said:
True, to a point. It boils down to practice, I believe less practice with a better trigger will have the same result as more practice with a stock one. But this all depends on the variables, how good is the stock trigger? How much less practice does one need with an improved trigger? To be honest I don't know, I've only ever taught the fundamentals to a few. I do believe that one should start with a stock trigger until a level of proficiency is gained.

Another thought. If one is very used to one type of trigger in a rifle. Spending their adult life running it at work and in play, they will very likely have trouble running a very different trigger. Or at least in my experience. I make the comparison between stock AR and the CZ. I can shoot the CZ well at a slow and medium rate but falter at competition speeds. I've shot it quite a bit and feel that some improvements to it would help me a great deal. As we all fall back to what we know under the stress of competition, etc.
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I agree that some stock triggers are a lot worse than others. That factor removed it comes down to fundamentals. Proper trigger manipulation will trump aftermarket gear all day. There's a reason they're called fundamentals as they apply to all firearms. Again a better comp would be a better investment over any trigger. Recoil control is not easy for everyone whereas anyone can properly depress a trigger. A crisp short trigger and reset are an advantage for the first shot and only after managing recoil and realigning sights on target for subsequent shots. More time is lost in reacquiring a sight picture than working the trigger.

As for ammo as an issue. Its a service rifle. Learn to shoot.

Tdc
 
I was not saying ammo IS an issue...I am saying if you want to see noticeably better groups (lets pretend your already a good shot)...shooting something a bit better then old cold war surplus will give you that.
 
I think a lot of folks are missing the point. The CZ rifle is a SERVICE RIFLE not a BENCHREST or PRECISION rifle. Its about using the right tool for the right job, and the VZ is not the right tool for anything other than rugged use where acceptable hits are the order of the day. I believe that's exactly what it was designed for and what its primarily used for..

TDC
 
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