10rd+ AR mags

[blaxsun]

there are already plenty of .50 beowulf pistols, just FYI.

I'm sure there is. I was referring to the FRT assignment/classification in Canada, though. Without that, you won't meet the "commonly available" handgun criteria. I'll take another peak, but I didn't find anything when I checked last time.

Edit: Addendum, further to this - there are only four (4) FRT entries for "50 BEOWULF" - and all are rifles.
• Alexander Arms, AAR15 Beowulf (rifle)
• Alexander Arms, AAR15 Beowulf Overwatch (rifle)
• MGI, Marck 15 (rifle)
• Rock River Arms, LAR-15 (rifle)

 

[Leibermuster]

Yes, I understand all of this - but this still doesn't change the fact that there is no .50 Beowulf pistol. There is a RRA LAR-15 pistol and XCR-L pistol both listed as a "handgun" in the FRT database, and since the lower is what determines the name - you're going to need an AA, LMT, RRA, Armalite, DD (etc.) pistol lower with a SBR .50 Beowulf upper (and I don't think a barrel length of over 10" is necessarily going to fly, do you?)

Once you've established the official name for the "pistol", you're going to have to secure permission from this manufacturer to utilize their name on this new magazine (licensing). You're not going to simply be able to take any existing 30-round polymer or metal AR magazine and stamp ".50 Beowulf Pistol" on it. It will actually have to be designed, tested and manufactured - because the established criteria for pistol magazines is that they have to be unique/different from any comparable rifle magazine.

In any event, best of luck!

+1 Blaxsun is right.

We have to change the Canadians firearms laws, all this playing there game just means we are just playing at the casino and they still control and own the casino and we are the smucks going to the casino.

That being said NEA is the only company that can pull this off, who will buy it from them is another story...........

I think we may be playing with fire on this endevaour as a whole, this could really back fire on us.

 

[easysauce]

I'm sure there is. I was referring to the FRT assignment/classification in Canada, though. Without that, you won't meet the "commonly available" handgun criteria. I'll take another peak, but I didn't find anything when I checked last time.

Edit: Addendum, further to this - there are only four (4) FRT entries for "50 BEOWULF" - and all are rifles.
• Alexander Arms, AAR15 Beowulf (rifle)
• Alexander Arms, AAR15 Beowulf Overwatch (rifle)
• MGI, Marck 15 (rifle)
• Rock River Arms, LAR-15 (rifle)

yes, but can you find a FRT # for the 5.56/7.62 pistols? it would help to have the FRT# of the AR pistols,

I know its not there NOW, but thats only because no one has done it yet

 

[Leibermuster]

RCMP has much legal recourse they can follow.

Customs can seize the shipment; example T97 should be a red flag to show what they can do!

Remember all it takes is an Order of council on this stuff.

It will take a while to get these manufactured and by that time we may have a new government in power and god knows what restriction might come down by the US with Obama in power 2 years from now..Heck the conservatives might now be in power come next election....things to keep in mind.

 

[blaxsun]

yes, but can you find a FRT # for the 5.56/7.62 pistols? it would help to have the FRT# of the AR pistols,

I know its not there NOW, but thats only because no one has done it yet

There are 21 entries for semi-automatic handguns in 5.56mm Nato (.223 Rem). Just doing random checks, quite a few are prohibited (I'd estimate a a half). I was only able to find a single (1) entry for a semi-automatic handgun in 7.62 Nato (.308 Win), that being the Colt Government Mark IV Series 80. Maybe you were thinking of 7.62x39?

 

[jdman]

I was only able to find a single (1) entry for a semi-automatic handgun in 7.62 Nato (.308 Win), that being the Colt Government Mark IV Series 80. Maybe you were thinking of 7.62x39?

Holy ! that must be one hell of a big grip on that sucker.

 

[easysauce]

again, anything "they" can do to a 10 round .50 mag, "they" can do to a 10 round .223 mag.

"they" can do what ever "they" want as long as we continue to argue online as opposed to being involved in the political process

and yes, please everyone actually get involved in getting amendments the draconian gun laws in our favor, this whole "its too hard so why try" wont get us what we want... neither will appeasement....

real mail your MP's MLAS, Candace Hoeppener(sp?), Vic Toews, ect about enacting recommendations through OIC on C-80 like this

they got plenty of mail about the LGR, now they need to get mail on other issues.

 

[easysauce]

There are 21 entries for semi-automatic handguns in 5.56mm Nato (.223 Rem). Just doing random checks, quite a few are prohibited (I'd estimate a a half). I was only able to find a single (1) entry for a semi-automatic handgun in 7.62 Nato (.308 Win), that being the Colt Government Mark IV Series 80. Maybe you were thinking of 7.62x39?

so the RRA pistol doesnt have an FRT then blax?
if it doesnt then thats good for us,
if it does, is there a separate FRT for each caliber?

7.62x39, not .308, you got that I meant 5.56x45 when I said 5.56 as opposed to 5.56x39 at least

 

[Moe]

the law, AS IT APPLIES IN THIS CASE, is as follows

4. Magazines designed for one firearm but used in a different firearm

The maximum permitted capacity of a magazine is determined by the kind of firearm it is designed or manufactured for use in and not the kind of firearm it might actually be used in. As a consequence, the maximum permitted capacity remains the same regardless of which firearm it might be used in.
Example:
The Marlin model 45 (Camp Carbine) rifle chambered for 45 Auto caliber uses magazines designed and manufactured for the Colt 1911 handgun, therefore the seven round and eight round capacities are permitted. A similar example is the 10 round capacity magazine for the Rock River Arms LAR-15 pistol, regardless of the kind of firearm it is actually used in.

5. Magazines for semiautomatic handguns which contain more than ten (10) rounds of a different calibre

Magazines designed to contain centrefire cartridges and designed or manufactured for use in a semiautomatic handgun, are limited to 10 cartridges. The capacity is measured by the kind of cartridge the magazine was designed to contain. In some cases the magazine will be capable of containing more than 10 rounds of a different caliber; however that is not relevant in the determination of the maximum permitted capacity.

Example:
Heckler and Koch P7 pistol chambered for 9mm Luger caliber:
The magazine designed for the 40 S&W calibre variant of the pistol will hold 13 cartridges of 9mm Luger calibre and function in the 9mm Luger calibre P7 pistol. This is permissible as the maximum permitted capacity of the 40 S&W calibre magazine must be measured by the number of 40 S&W calibre cartridges it is capable of holding, which is 10 such cartridges in the case of the HK P7 pistol magazine.

And that is my point. This is the law as it stands NOW. It would be nice to see things sway in our favor but honestly the laws regarding this could swing against us. Why? Well lets consider this scenario. Customs notice .50 10rd mags for pistols being imported and they look an awfull lot like unpinned 30rd 223 ar15 mags but with some .50 pistol mags writing on them. Legal? Yes, However this gets some talk going between the people who can do things. Next thing you know there is some meetings and what do ya know. No more of these mags can be imported. Or worse they see the 10rd lar mags are seen as a gateway for us pushing this so we lose those too. Or worse yet due to the rifle/pistol mag grey area they flat out limit all mags to 5rds! Guys I have been a gun owner 28 years and remember hunting with my AR and I enjoyed the freedom of blasting at the range with 30rd mags in it back in the 80's, but I can tell you that gun laws usualy change to the more restrictive side. Yea we won one with the long gun reg but that is a rare win. I don't get me wrong I would love one of those 10rd .50 pistol mags I just think laws could be changed over this. No I'm not an anti just playing devils advocate.

Bottom line. This could lead to very bad for us changes in the firearms act.

Moe

 

[blaxsun]

Holy ! that must be one hell of a big grip on that sucker.

The notes indicate that this is a 1911 conversion from semi-auto to single-shot.

 

[blaxsun]

so the RRA pistol doesnt have an FRT then blax?
if it doesnt then thats good for us,
if it does, is there a separate FRT for each caliber?

7.62x39, not .308, you got that I meant 5.56x45 when I said 5.56 as opposed to 5.56x39 at least

Yes, there's an FRT for the RRA LAR-15 in 5.56mm Nato (.223 Rem) and 7.62x39 Russian. Yes, there are also separate sub-FRT numbers for both calibre and magazine capacity - as is common in the database.

Well, "5.56" and "7.62" are standard Nato ammunition designations. If you'd said 7.62x39 or 7.62 Russian that would've been a little clearer.

again, anything "they" can do to a 10 round .50 mag, "they" can do to a 10 round .223 mag. "they" can do what ever "they" want as long as we continue to argue online as opposed to being involved in the political process.

There's a big difference between a 10-round pistol magazine that still falls under the 5/10 maximum capacity, and a 10-round pistol magazine that extends this to 30 rounds. Taking a 10-round .40S&W pistol magazine to 13 9mm rounds and a 5-round .50Beowulf rifle magazine to 16-18 .223 rounds is already pushing it. The SW M&P15-22 already gave us the definition of "dual-use", and it's not a stretch to suggest this kind of endeavour might bright about the kind of additional attention we don't want.

 

[blaxsun]

And that is my point. This is the law as it stands NOW. It would be nice to see things sway in our favor but honestly the laws regarding this could swing against us. Why? Well lets consider this scenario. Customs notice .50 10rd mags for pistols being imported and they look an awfull lot like unpinned 30rd 223 ar15 mags but with some .50 pistol mags writing on them. Legal? Yes, However this gets some talk going between the people who can do things. Next thing you know there is some meetings and what do ya know. No more of these mags can be imported. Or worse they see the 10rd lar mags are seen as a gateway for us pushing this so we lose those too. Or worse yet due to the rifle/pistol mag grey area they flat out limit all mags to 5rds! Guys I have been a gun owner 28 years and remember hunting with my AR and I enjoyed the freedom of blasting at the range with 30rd mags in it back in the 80's, but I can tell you that gun laws usualy change to the more restrictive side. Yea we won one with the long gun reg but that is a rare win. I don't get me wrong I would love one of those 10rd .50 pistol mags I just think laws could be changed over this. No I'm not an anti just playing devils advocate.

Bottom line. This could lead to very bad for us changes in the firearms act.

Exactly what the 'new guy' said.
We're playing with fire here people.

The legal capacity of .223 is now up to between 16-18 rounds, we'll have both metal and polymer versions readily available in the coming weeks and months - and these will work in the vast majority of black rifles chambered in .223. Let's take our victory and enjoy it before we torpedo the entire endeavour. "He who fights and runs away... lives to fight another day."

 

[easysauce]

No one fought for this, this is the exact same loop hole thats been used for years, we are playing with fire just owning guns, who is to say they will not all be banned? just a few OIC's and bam, no more permit to break the law and own guns.

So instead of arguing,
I am going to make a personal donation of 50$ in addition to what I already contribute to CSSA.

If everyone here can find 170$ for mags, it stands to reason everyone here can find 50$ to donate towards making mag laws, and gun laws in general, more sane.

I hope the people arguing against me would also put their money where their mouth is, lets be constructive here, no matter who wins this internet debate, the law wont change.


What I hope some people take away from this is to actually get up and CONTRIBUTE to the political process, every time you get frustrated by a canadian gun law, or buy gun related stuff, put a % of that towards something that will change the laws.

Donate to CSSA and NFA, we spend 1000$'s on guns ammo and accessories every year lets spend some on the lobby groups that let us keep those guns, and try to change the laws in our favor.



laws go in the direction the politicians think will get them the most votes...

 

[Kevin M.]

This thread is awesome. I thought LAR's were as good at it got for the AR platform here in Bantario...

Gotta look seriously into a few of those other mags.

 

[edwin-97a]

Pre order yours today my friend.

 

[BCboy]

Dose the 50Beowulf mag say "50Beowulf" on it? I am just asking because if you were at the range and a range nazi or leo started to give you hell for useing one would you be able to point out the difference ? I have never seen one so I dont know

 

[easysauce]

Dose the 50Beowulf mag say "50Beowulf" on it? I am just asking because if you were at the range and a range nazi or leo started to give you hell for useing one would you be able to point out the difference ? I have never seen one so I dont know

yup labeled .50 beo right on it,

 

[jdman]

The notes indicate that this is a 1911 conversion from semi-auto to single-shot.

quite possibly the fugliest gun ever created.

 

[blaxsun]

Dose the 50Beowulf mag say "50Beowulf" on it? I am just asking because if you were at the range and a range nazi or leo started to give you hell for useing one would you be able to point out the difference ? I have never seen one so I dont know

Yes, as well as the Alexander Arms logo. It might also be beneficial to have six .50 Beowulf dummy rounds just in case you need to demonstrate the calibre/5-round capacity.

quite possibly the fugliest gun ever created.

Beauty is definitely in the eye of the beholder on that one...

No one fought for this, this is the exact same loop hole thats been used for years, we are playing with fire just owning guns, who is to say they will not all be banned? just a few OIC's and bam, no more permit to break the law and own guns.

I hope the people arguing against me would also put their money where their mouth is, lets be constructive here, no matter who wins this internet debate, the law wont change.

It's not a loophole...
There's a difference in perception between a hunting rifle, handgun and an evil black AR15 with a 30-round magazine. And that's what Moe and I were respectfully trying to suggest, ie: that in your endeavour to "expand" on our existing laws, you may end up bringing down the BANHAMMER instead. And I'm not arguing against you; just trying to suggest a cautionary approach (see the post on the first page with respect to the TP9 if you think if the law is straightforward, and explain why that didn't fly). I already support and donate to the NFA. Why the majority of firearms owners don't support either the NFA or CSSA is beyond me.

 

[cancer]

It's not a loophole...
There's a difference in perception between a hunting rifle, handgun and an evil black AR15 with a 30-round magazine. And that's what Moe and I were respectfully trying to suggest, ie: that in your endeavour to "expand" on our existing laws, you may end up bringing down the BANHAMMER instead. And I'm not arguing against you; just trying to suggest a cautionary approach (see the post on the first page with respect to the TP9 if you think if the law is straightforward, and explain why that didn't fly). I already support and donate to the NFA. Why the majority of firearms owners don't support either the NFA or CSSA is beyond me.

Quite a few CPC MPs are looking for good excuses to do away with magazine restrictions. This would be an excellent reason to do so. I honestly can't see the current government pissing off gun owners.