No, the current government won't do anything to piss off gun owners. The next government could be an entirely different matter...
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No, the current government won't do anything to piss off gun owners. The next government could be an entirely different matter...
Evidence for the "quite a few"?
blaxsun
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
"Quite a few" likely won't cut it. Eliminating the magazine restrictions would require a mainstream effort similar to scrapping the LGR, and I just don't see the political will.
exactly. getting rid of the lgr has a political reason behind it (save taxpayer money) even with a pro firearms government I cant see a politician sticking his neck out far enough to say "remove mag restrictions". its too easy to attack from the other side, and its hard to point out the reasons for it to the general public.
The best strategy as I see it would be to just wrap it all up in an omnibus "overhaul the firearms laws" bill that fixed a lot of broken things. It would be one thing of many and then would not bear the brunt of the attack.
I think the prime argument for it all is that we spend millions every year enforcing laws that have no real effect on crime. Think of all the man hours we pay CBSA to open up packages to check that the magazines are all blocked. All the police time, prosecutor time, court time, etc. spent on charging people with BS unsafe storage charges, or arresting people for defending themselves and then later dropping the charges because there is "no realistic chance of conviction." All the time spent processing ATTs (of which less than 1% are ever rejected). Add it all up and it is costing every taxpayer in this country a whole lotta money, and the country is not any safer because of it. It is wasted effort and wasted money that could be much better spent elsewhere.
I think the argument can be made as well that regular capacity magazines are relatively unregulated south of the border and thus easy to get anyway if a determined individual wants them, so there is little point in restricting law abiding citizens when the effect on crime is zero. It's like trying to plug your finger into the ocean to keep the tide from coming in. It's an impossible task so why bother?
This is why we lost with scrapping the LGR, we were supposed to be getting rid of BILL C-68 and Kim Campbell’s bill C-17 or whatever it was, this is what Harper originally propossed............ Gary B and his friends should have held out and got more, in my opinion it all backfired in this since, we needed more guarantees and property rights and the right for self-defense, even concealed carry. Also even more power stripped away from the CFO in many regards or better laws that actually protect the lawful firearm owners that give us the benefit of the doubt for a change.
no political reason to change things? aside from 2 million gun owners? everyone who would be p(ssed off by any change to mag caps, is already p(ssed because of c-19
how about the fact anyone can walk in and buy a 5/30 mag, then drill it, and have a 30 rounder? making 30 round mags restricted, and forcing a license check at purchase actually increases safety...
why all the debby downers? stop defeating yourselves by not even trying, or saying its hopeless, so why try? what possible good can come from that?
being afraid of the next government?
really you think the antis/liberals were afraid of what the CPC would do when they made c-68? being afraid of the possibility of what they MIGHT do when they MIGHT get reelected is just absurd, and a waste of a chance to change things.
No matter what, the next lib or ndp government will try to change the laws MORE against us,
do the liberals have some kind of super power where only THEY can change gun laws? some people here seem to think so..
that and the culture now is much more favorable to guns, this isnt the 90's anymore people, half my hipster friends own guns now... the other half maybe balk at hunting, but still like to come shoot at paper.
we need to use this time with a favorable government in power to move the line back... otherwise it will just keep going against us...
such a defeatist attitude does none of us any good
how about the fact anyone can walk in and buy a 5/30 mag, then drill it, and have a 30 rounder? making 30 round mags restricted, and forcing a license check at purchase actually increases safety...
why all the debby downers? stop defeating yourselves by not even trying, or saying its hopeless, so why try? what possible good can come from that?
being afraid of the next government?
really you think the antis/liberals were afraid of what the CPC would do when they made c-68? being afraid of the possibility of what they MIGHT do when they MIGHT get reelected is just absurd, and a waste of a chance to change things.
No matter what, the next lib or ndp government will try to change the laws MORE against us,
do the liberals have some kind of super power where only THEY can change gun laws? some people here seem to think so..
that and the culture now is much more favorable to guns, this isnt the 90's anymore people, half my hipster friends own guns now... the other half maybe balk at hunting, but still like to come shoot at paper.
we need to use this time with a favorable government in power to move the line back... otherwise it will just keep going against us...
such a defeatist attitude does none of us any good
blaxsun
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
If you were around in the 90's you may fondly remember Bill C-17, and how certain groups of firearms owners were thrown under the bus by their very own. Not our finest hour. If I've learned anything, it's that history repeats itself.
And this statement is the truth too it's core..........
I was too young sorry, and of course the "clickyness" of gun owners is our worst enemy, the antis have one broad sweeping group of supporters who dont get hung up on some guy experiencing the hobby slightly different they how they want to.
however, this is also before the rise of social media, we have many new tools to use to communicate between the various factions of gun owners then we did before.
Throwing black powder shooters/fudds/mallninjas under the bus is not acceptable, but neither is giving up.
if we all stood together, things would change, and we have to support our lobby groups... which ironically are ALSO divided...
personally I will be putting aside some of my other projects and focusing on lobbying from here on in.
Runningfool
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True but the shooting landscape has changed tremendously since then. History repeats but I think gun owners of all stripes have wised up and with any luck we can learn from history. Plus with the growth of multigun and other action shooting maybe next time the hunters will be under the bus
I wouldn't draw attention to how stupidly easy it is to defeat mag restrictions with common tools. Don't put ideas in anyone's heads that the standard for blocking mags needs to be higher.
I don't think magazines should be restricted in any way. Putting a license check on them would do nothing. You need a firearm to use the mag, and the firearm already has a license check (right or wrong). Plus, why shouldn't I be able to target shoot on my own property with one? Or hunt with one? Etc.
blaxsun
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Now that the LGR is toast, keep listening for that sound... (that would be the fudds kicking the bus into reverse).
If you think the fudds are all here on CGN, you are VERY mistaken. It is absolutely mind boggling to see and hear how many of these people have no idea what is going on and would hand you over in a heartbeat if they thought it would save their ass.
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Well, Alexander arms has put the kibosh on pistol mags, stating in no unequivocal terms they will not license any outsourcing of .50 Beo pistol mags, and will not manufacture ones them selves specifically marked as such.
that dream is officially dead, sorry guys, I tried
PS. despite those "fudds" supposedly throwing people under the bus, thats no excuse for us "mall ninjas" to give up or use that as an excuse, plenty of guys I know are very knowledgeable about guns/gun politics and have the "we are all in this together attitude" without ever HEARING of CGN... not to mention things like mag caps and so on WERE recommended to be much different by our lobbyists and supporter's... that doesn't mean the jerks making the laws at that time listened. Acting like they could have gotten us what we wanted is foolish, and decisive, had HALF the recommendations to c68 and c80 gone through, we likely wouldn't be complaining about things very much.
Every time we blame other members of our community, get frustrated, and don't donate $/time to our lobby groups, an Anti smiles.
I'm not saying SOME people didn't say "I've got mine, so who cares about the other guys", but its not all the hunters, and there some of those types in every shooting discipline.
plenty fought for us saying they all threw us under the bus just serves to divide us more, and doesn't encourage hunters to support us at all
Back then there really was no internet groups to mingle all the various shooting disciplines together.
also it used to be that you got into guns to hunt, now it is the reverse, most new shooters I know get into for target shooting, IPSC or three gun (and a lot come from airsoft/paintball) and don't really care about hunting
no excuses, not anymore, we cannot let something that happened almost 20 years ago, in a different climate dissuade us from actually putting real effort into reform.
now more then ever we need to push our advantage, get the donations and volunteer hours way up, and go from there, otherwise we have no right to complain about anything.
as a community we cannot afford to play the blame game, or sit on our butts, anyone who doesn't contribute to our lobby group(s) is in effect throwing every gun owner, including themselves, under the bus
so instead of complaining about problems, lets all be part of the solution, lets fix what we can instead of writing it off and being part of the problem,
if you are not a member of either CSSA or NFA, you are part of the problem,
fix it,
go spend 45$ for member ship, less then the cost of ONE magazine....
(worth it just for the 5,000,000 dollars in insurance covering ALL of your shooting activities, but you also get access to legal aid and more)
if you have become a member, try to make a point of giving a % of all money you spend on gun stuff to our lobbyists,
continue to focus on "breeding them out" by taking non shooters to the range so at the least you can educate them, and take away the "fear factor" that often give the antis their votes.
Also by having lots of kids with your wife
if you already do all this, consistently, thanks, help me come up with more things to benefit the process.
“Be the change you want to see in the world.” – Mahatma Gandhi
that dream is officially dead, sorry guys, I tried
PS. despite those "fudds" supposedly throwing people under the bus, thats no excuse for us "mall ninjas" to give up or use that as an excuse, plenty of guys I know are very knowledgeable about guns/gun politics and have the "we are all in this together attitude" without ever HEARING of CGN... not to mention things like mag caps and so on WERE recommended to be much different by our lobbyists and supporter's... that doesn't mean the jerks making the laws at that time listened. Acting like they could have gotten us what we wanted is foolish, and decisive, had HALF the recommendations to c68 and c80 gone through, we likely wouldn't be complaining about things very much.
Every time we blame other members of our community, get frustrated, and don't donate $/time to our lobby groups, an Anti smiles.
I'm not saying SOME people didn't say "I've got mine, so who cares about the other guys", but its not all the hunters, and there some of those types in every shooting discipline.
plenty fought for us saying they all threw us under the bus just serves to divide us more, and doesn't encourage hunters to support us at all
Back then there really was no internet groups to mingle all the various shooting disciplines together.
also it used to be that you got into guns to hunt, now it is the reverse, most new shooters I know get into for target shooting, IPSC or three gun (and a lot come from airsoft/paintball) and don't really care about hunting
no excuses, not anymore, we cannot let something that happened almost 20 years ago, in a different climate dissuade us from actually putting real effort into reform.
now more then ever we need to push our advantage, get the donations and volunteer hours way up, and go from there, otherwise we have no right to complain about anything.
as a community we cannot afford to play the blame game, or sit on our butts, anyone who doesn't contribute to our lobby group(s) is in effect throwing every gun owner, including themselves, under the bus
so instead of complaining about problems, lets all be part of the solution, lets fix what we can instead of writing it off and being part of the problem,
if you are not a member of either CSSA or NFA, you are part of the problem,
fix it,
go spend 45$ for member ship, less then the cost of ONE magazine....
(worth it just for the 5,000,000 dollars in insurance covering ALL of your shooting activities, but you also get access to legal aid and more)
if you have become a member, try to make a point of giving a % of all money you spend on gun stuff to our lobbyists,
continue to focus on "breeding them out" by taking non shooters to the range so at the least you can educate them, and take away the "fear factor" that often give the antis their votes.
Also by having lots of kids with your wife
if you already do all this, consistently, thanks, help me come up with more things to benefit the process.
“Be the change you want to see in the world.” – Mahatma Gandhi
blaxsun
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
Well, we did try to tell you the licensing/authorization would be the hardest part... But at least you tried.
There's no supposedly about it. And I don't see myself as a "mall ninja" just because I own a few black rifles.
What Shooter said.
Im sure FUdds dont see themselves as fudds just because they hunt and have wood finished rifles, and dont know about esoteric laws that dont involve said rifles.
No chit the licensing is the hardest part... thats what I SAID many posts ago, hence why it was my first step (done ages ago) in my attempt.
I never said all the fudds were on here... less then 1/20 gun owners are on CGN, and there are more sites then this one with our target audience on it. Besides the real world is more important then CGN (or any site), hence why the lobby process and "breeding them out" is so important.
again, lets focus on being productive and proactive. Denigration, playing the blame game and being condescending wont help anyone.
No chit the licensing is the hardest part... thats what I SAID many posts ago, hence why it was my first step (done ages ago) in my attempt.
I never said all the fudds were on here... less then 1/20 gun owners are on CGN, and there are more sites then this one with our target audience on it. Besides the real world is more important then CGN (or any site), hence why the lobby process and "breeding them out" is so important.
again, lets focus on being productive and proactive. Denigration, playing the blame game and being condescending wont help anyone.
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And something I might be able to add: Fudds CAN be converted. Case in point: My dad would say "Why do you need a pistol?", now his bolt gun has become a safe queen, and he loves to shoot his GSG pistol.
blaxsun
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
1/20? I'd say the number is closer to 1/100 and the active number could be as low as 1/600. Explains a lot. And while "fudds" can be converted, it's important to note that the rest of us have always support their rights, and don't need to be converted...
