Ljungman magazine capacity

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Hi all. I'm new, and I've got a question. I'm looking at buying an ag42b but I've got a question about it. The gun checks out, and shoots great. The owner has the original ten round mag. To my understanding, this mag needs to be permanently pinned at 5 rounds to be legal, correct? I would rather use spent shells in the mag instead, so I dont butcher an original. Is that legal? I've also heard this gun is legal with the ten rounder because it's the original mag and is of a certain age. Lots of rumors and misconceptions out there. I'll probably call the firearms office to be sure, just thought it would be a good discussion. Thanks!
 
5 rounds and it has to be permanantly pinned... empty cases in the bottom won't do. I've never heard anything about grandfathering old semi-auto mags. The M1 Garand is exempt because the magazine is non-detachable.
 
if the magazine is not pinned to 5 rounds you are in possesion of a prohibited device and could serve jail time .

the only way around this is if a pistol magazine that has to be pinned to 10 rounds was able to fit unmodified into your rifle .

it works the other way too if a rifle magazine fits into a pistol , it can not be able to hold more than 5 rounds , as it is intended to fit a rifle .

this only applies to semi auto's .
 
Pinning mags without butchering them is quite possible ( it urks me to say that) Alot of recent SVT-40s imported had the mags literally chopped down to fit 5 rounds. Absolutely a travesty. Alot of them are pinned normally, with a rivet through the backside. That is likely possible with your AG-42 mag aswell. Better get it pinned up to comply with our stupid laws, because you could face a totally disproportionate punishment for it.
 
The one that I used to own had a simple bead of weld on the inside of the mag to stop the follower. Un-noticed from the outside, no darn little rivet hole, and perfectly legal. Take the mag and your 5 spent case and go to a smith or a metal shop and have them do likewise. Just be careful they don't weld the follower to mag case.
 
Pinned to 5, and man-o-man, do yo learn that the hard way!

My Ljungman was in OPP hands (long story...). They had concerns releasing it to me with the 10rd mag. I had to call CFC from OPP station to fix it's registered status (originally registered as a "torped overslag"). The kind lady on the phone explained to me my magazine was exempt, as it was a surplus.

The OPP didn't agree, and had "coincidentally" mislplaced the 10rd magazine. Turns out, the OPP were correct, and the fine registrar's office was mistaken!

Eventually (3 years+ later) found a legally pinned magazine.

You can't just put a wooden block under the follower, or any other "temporary" means. Must be permanently altered to hold only 5. (5 and a half will allow 5 in the mag, and one chambered).

ON a side note, I love my Ljungman. First rifle I woned. Bought it at an auction 25 years ago as an affordable deer gun...awesome shooters.

MIND YOUR FINGERS!!!
 
Hmm, as I understand the reasoning, if the magazine is pinned at five rounds, it is safe, BUT if the capacity is ten rounds you will immediatly go out and shoot little children!
Though a 10 round magazine in a Lee Enfield does not create homicidal tendencies?
 
John Sukey said:
Hmm, as I understand the reasoning, if the magazine is pinned at five rounds, it is safe, BUT if the capacity is ten rounds you will immediatly go out and shoot little children!
Though a 10 round magazine in a Lee Enfield does not create homicidal tendencies?
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OR a 20rd "trench magazine" in a '98! Seems that bolt action rifles are not in league with Satan...

The only "safe" 5+ semi 'surp I'm privy to is an 8rd Garand.
 
John Sukey said:
Hmm, as I understand the reasoning, if the magazine is pinned at five rounds, it is safe, BUT if the capacity is ten rounds you will immediatly go out and shoot little children!
Though a 10 round magazine in a Lee Enfield does not create homicidal tendencies?
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i made a 30rd mag for my lee enfield out of a no 4 mk 1 mag and a bren mag (feed lips cut off and welded to the lee enfield mag body)
 
You cant "bump fire" a bolt action! this would be good enough reason to differentiate a semi from a bolt action, especially with a Hi-capacity magazine fitted.
 
On the other hand, if you put a shoulder thing that goes UP onto even a '71 Mauser, it instantly becomes Evil.

Just thought you might like to know.

PIN the d*mned thing or put in a spot of weld and be sure to vote Conservative.

We'll get this freakin' MESS sorted out SOME DAY.

Harper has made a START. Now is the time to get him to push the agenda farther.
 
5THBATT said:
If you are going to compare bolt action rifles with hi-cap mags to semi-autos with hi-cap mags, it is a point!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RX1pAaONA4Y
When you can achieve this rate of fire with a bolt action, then you can tell me "That's not the point" untill then, dont compare the two types.
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being in a commonwealth country id think you would know how fast a lee enfield no 4 mk 1 would be of corse in NZ you can still own and shoot most things we cant here in canada
 
antiqueguy said:
being in a commonwealth country id think you would know how fast a lee enfield no 4 mk 1 would be of corse in NZ you can still own and shoot most things we cant here in canada
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I dont see what country i'm in has to do with this, but I can tell you we are not allowed to bump fire semi's, it would loose us our licence thats for sure, now if you think you can achieve the rate of fire in the video I put a link up with a No4, I would like to see it.
 
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To go back to the topic, mag must be pinned for 5 rds if designed for a semi auto rifle, must be done in a "permanent" manner, meaning not easily removed or altered without tools. Hence why riveting works but wood blocks don't.
 
If you are going to compare bolt action rifles with hi-cap mags to semi-autos with hi-cap mags, it is a point!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RX1pAaONA4Y
When you can achieve this rate of fire with a bolt action, then you can tell me "That's not the point" untill then, dont compare the two types.

I'm not comparing either. I do not want any restrictions. Only anti-gun people want restrictions. Are you anti-gun?
 
With regard to "bump firing" being the motivator for legislation...it isn't. The very notion that 4 rds (assuming pinned to 5) "uncontrolled discharge" is better than 9 (assuming a 10rd mag) is quite foolish.

It isn't a question of bolt vs. semi at all... (I would buy the ammo for antiqueguy after he's demonstrated his "mad minute" abilities though...20-30 rds into a 12" circle at 300yds is powerfully impressive shooting)

These laws arrived in the wake of a terrible tragedy. The notion that such things could be legislated away is even more foolish...

And, as suggested, back on track. center fire semi magazines in Canada must be "limited" to 5rds. Exception includes the Garand (8rds), and possibly others. The Ljungman isn't an exception.
 
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