With the amount of old rifles coming from Russia where are the old canadian rifles.
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I saw them personally in Angola/Uganda/Rhodesia in 1969 and in Cuba in 1974. In 1976 I saw a bunch of them on the Amazon River being used by mine guard/soldiers and river pirates.
In Cuba, they were quite prevalent. The rifles in Angola were new in crates by the warehouse full.
And I have some pictures of crates piled high of Colt "potato diggers" still in the box in Russia.
Hey bearhunter do you think anyone would believe the stuff we used to see at one time. Place deleted to protect the innocent##
Well, you can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink.
I know what I saw, and in each nation, the manufacturers were stamped into the receivers. They were definitely Canadian made FNC1s, along with all the necessary accessories.
During the time periods I'm talking about, Trudeau and Castro were seen as buds on the international scene. Trudeau even had pictures of Castro visiting and holding on to the babies.
A few years after the civil war in Angola settled down to minor skirmishes, Canada spent $25 million to build a school to teach French to the plebes. Funny thing though, hardly anyone in Angola spoke or even today speaks French. They speak either Portuguese or one of several different native dialects, including Bantu and Swahili variant dialects.
The Canadian made FNs in Brazil were both purchased from Canada by the Brazilian federal gov't or smuggled into Brazil by Cuban insurgents that were supplying the river pirates and claim jumpers.
I don't think it's a case of not believing but not wanting to believe.
"I believe all of the Canadian FN C1A1 rifles were put into long term storage as they were replaced by the new family of small arms and kept as a mobilization resource. I expect they are still there."
Unfortunately, all these were sent to the smelter a few years ago, except for a thousand or so preserved for issue to Museums.
Unfortunately, all these were sent to the smelter a few years ago, except for a thousand or so preserved for issue to Museums.
On a brighter note, if you're really after a Canadian Milsurp, there's a chap in the US, Brian #### of BDL Ltd. who has some nice Longbranch rifles still in the grease from Greek stock, and reasonable prices if you don't mind doing the import paperwork.
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You get into collecting milsurps. Me about 10 years ago now. You let things slip through your fingers...
Then one day you realize that they are surplus. Once they are gone, they are gone. Stock up while you can! My latest was a Mosin 91/30 PU sniper - I'm certain the values will go up once they run out.
My RC Mauser k98k that was poo poo'd on even 5 years ago as being a mismatch has probably doubled in value or more going by the EE. It was $300 when they were available.
Then one day you realize that they are surplus. Once they are gone, they are gone. Stock up while you can! My latest was a Mosin 91/30 PU sniper - I'm certain the values will go up once they run out.
My RC Mauser k98k that was poo poo'd on even 5 years ago as being a mismatch has probably doubled in value or more going by the EE. It was $300 when they were available.
I have a hard time with the notion of Trudeau or anyone else supplying Cdn made FNs to Cuba or other countries. There were a host of makers and suppliers of various types of FN FALs in the 1960s/70's incl Brazil and, Argentina. There were/are many sources for either direct or 2nd/3rd party supply of small arms around the world. The end state of the Cdn FNs after replacement by the C7 was that they were overhauled by Diemaco and then put into long term storage in the Cdn Forces supply system until their ultimate disposal, save for a small quantity, by smelting.
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I wish I bought a truck load of the M1D snipers for 600 dollars and 400 dollars for a Danish armouries. I also passed up a M1 carbine for 350 bucks. Dang it!!!!! (I know they were much cheaper even before that).
Actually, I did see yours. As I was cutting them up, I saw yours and decided to spare it for some guy who would be able to enjoy it.
You'e welcome.Aint it great? If I want to shoot a Canadian made Bren, FAL, Sten or Sterling, I have to go to the US. Go figure.
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Purple, I can understand your reluctance to believe this but I saw the Canadian FNs myself. Yes, there were others there from the UK and Belgium.
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Actually, I did see yours. As I was cutting them up, I saw yours and decided to spare it for some guy who would be able to enjoy it.
Aint it great? If I want to shoot a Canadian made Bren, FAL, Sten or Stering, I have to go to the US. Go figure.
or you can make your own
This thread is depressing....all those great guns smelted or given to commies or other scumbags, the price increases, the scarcity of milsurps these days....good stories, but depressing.
About 10 years ago I was cleaning the cosmo off of 3 pallets full of Danish Breda M-1 Garands. They were right out of some Danish arsenal, awesome shape, selling for 200$ a piece. I couldn't afford to buy even one of them, and I couldn't convince any of my idiot relatives to buy a bunch as an investment.....
About 10 years ago I was cleaning the cosmo off of 3 pallets full of Danish Breda M-1 Garands. They were right out of some Danish arsenal, awesome shape, selling for 200$ a piece. I couldn't afford to buy even one of them, and I couldn't convince any of my idiot relatives to buy a bunch as an investment.....
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Points, if you ever get below the border, I can also let you look at my 1944 BSA WM20 that didn't get cut up either. Unfortunately we can't fire the PIAT or the 2 inch mortar since I can't find any live ammo
Please let's keep the commies comments especially when you put " or other scumbag " away from public forums. Both of my grandfather fought in second world war. Over 200 000 000 "commies" died in that war. Just for you to understand this number it is population of Canada and USA at that time. I find this remark very offensive they deserve respect as much as any Canadian soldier who fought in World War two.
When you put it "given to commies or other scumbags" I understand that you mean commies as scumbag. If you did not mean it this way than I have no issues with this post.
Sergey
When you put it "given to commies or other scumbags" I understand that you mean commies as scumbag. If you did not mean it this way than I have no issues with this post.
Sergey
This thread is depressing....all those great guns smelted or given to commies or other scumbags, the price increases, the scarcity of milsurps these days....good stories, but depressing.
About 10 years ago I was cleaning the cosmo off of 3 pallets full of Danish Breda M-1 Garands. They were right out of some Danish arsenal, awesome shape, selling for 200$ a piece. I couldn't afford to buy even one of them, and I couldn't convince any of my idiot relatives to buy a bunch as an investment.....
That would be a blast. No pun intended. I don't think you could find a whole hell of a lot of PIAT bombs kicking around. ThanksPoints, if you ever get below the border, I can also let you look at my 1944 BSA WM20 that didn't get cut up either. Unfortunately we can't fire the PIAT or the 2 inch mortar since I can't find any live ammo
Probably he's referring to the leadership of those countries, whichever they are. As for 200,000,000, that sounds a little high. Wasn't it around 20,000,000 in the Soviet Union? I thought it was just a typo at first, but your population reference says not.
Besides, how many of them (Soviet subjects) were actually communists? Not many, even after the communists killed off 15-20,000,000 other people between 1917 and 1941.
I would certainly describe the Soviet leadership as "scumbags". How would you describe people who do things like that?
And to return to the subject of the thread, there was a thread on here a while back about all the millions of small arms that Russia was going to destroy. Probably many of those were captured or non-standard types.
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No disrespect intended. Probably too big a generalization. Wasn't meaning your average footsoldier, but the leadership, and "other scumbags" was warlord types like in Africa. You know, like the UN loves?
And 200 million is a bit high.....
LB # 4s to Afghanistan
A very reliable source advised that a large quantity, make that very large, of # 4s from 202 depot disappeared off inventory one weekend in the late 1970s ( I think it was). Also gadzillions of .303 rds including commercial from Canadian Tire. I understand there were some folks battling the Russians about this time. Don't quote me!
A very reliable source advised that a large quantity, make that very large, of # 4s from 202 depot disappeared off inventory one weekend in the late 1970s ( I think it was). Also gadzillions of .303 rds including commercial from Canadian Tire. I understand there were some folks battling the Russians about this time. Don't quote me!
The story of the ammunition that went to Afghanistan with those No.4s is so crazy it was obviously a political decision. IVI was baffled by a request from the government for a large quantity of .303 cal cartridges which was neded in such a rush that there was no time to manufacture it. IVI offered commercial, soft point ammunition that had been intended for sporting outlets such as Canadian Tire. This offer was accepted but on condition that it came in plain brown paper boxes. IVI duly unpacked the whole lot and repacked it. I guess the government thought by changing the packaging they would disguise the fact that it came from Canada. They were too ignorant to know that every cartidge case had a headstamp that indicated Canadian manufacture. At that time there were about 1 million rounds of .303 cal. Mk 7 ball rounds manufactured in 1944 in DND inventory which could have had a few markings on the wooden boxes removed and then sent with the rifles. They could have covered up later by saying that the ammunition had been stuff we had given to allies during the war and they had no idea where it had come from. IVI was still able to produce .303 cal cartridges with Mk 8 bullets which would have been fine for DND.
