Avalonthas
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the handgun itself is a very small piece of the puzzle. Its primarily you that will win the challenge
Can you win with a Glock?
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In my experience, this is a very true statement.
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Guns are freaking heavy when carried all day. I used to shoot a CZ in IPSC. I've changed to GLOCK because I carry one and I can tell you I wouldn't want to carry a CZ all day for any reason.
Name one or better yet name one Master IDPA shooter you shot with. I have shot to B Class in IPSC Production and I can tell you your statement is frankly, laughable. At my best I am about as far away from IDPA Master as I am GM in IPSC. Maurice knows better or should. Draw and fire two shots to the body and one to the head box in under 1.50 seconds three times in a row, down zero, and we will move on to String 4 of the Classifier as your B shooter moves on to make Master in IDPA or not. At that point you have 9 out of 90 rounds fired and only 4.5 seconds. Distance is only 7 yards so your B Shooter should be well on his way. Easy peasy as the Brits say. SSP Master is 98.82 seconds for 90 shots shouldn't be a problem. Let me know how you make out. I'll even give your B Class shooter his choice of IPSC Production guns, conned barrels and all. FYI ESP Master is 89.41 seconds but you do get to use magwells.:>)
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Bob
ps the IDPA Classifier is at the back of our rule book. Check it out.
sounds like a fun excercise...I will use my ghost stinger holster instead of my race holster. Is this SA first shot or DA first shot...(not really important although a slight advantage to SA.) Is the head shot ocular cavity or just head box?
Also, so I understand it...All "A"'s required?
As far as carrying a Tanfoglio. I could handle it. I can send you a pic of me closing Captian's of Crush #4.
Are you kidding? You could carry the gun AND the safe you store it in all day without noticing!
For anyone who doesn't know, this is a guy who looks like he could rip the head off a lowland gorilla.
I probably just eat a lot more bananas than most lowland gorillas.
It was my understanding that you ate motorcycles for breakfast. Harley's, of course.
OK, how 'bout Craig Buckland? An IDPA DM in SSR and MA in ESR yet barely an A class shooter in USPSA Revolver with 77.41 % as at 15 Nov 12. If you don't believe me go to uspsa dot org and click on 'member support'; his USPSA # is TY51104. I can probably come up with more examples but hopefully you get my drift.
Actually, it is your statement that is laughable. From what I've be led to understand you're a B Class shooter in PD but that is an IPSC BC classification and that your classification was gained by never shooting IPSC outside of Terrace qualifiers which are generally poorly attended. The classification systems in Canada are a joke as is ICS. There is a reason why STI doesn't recognize ICS or other IPSC classification systems for their contingency reward program.
USPSA on the other hand has an accurate and defensible classification system.
I think one thing everyone here CAN AGREE on is that both IDPA and IPSC are fun and challenging?
Agreed, yes! And BOTH disciplines are full of friendly and helpful people, as seems to be a common thread through all the shooting sports. I am looking forward to improving my skills via both disciplines.
Sign up for the Level II at FRPC January 11/12. I will come. Signup opens December 26th.
I'm going to be there, for sure! See you then (hey... if you don't mind, bring those CofC grippers
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I shoot both a G17 and a Shadow, have been for a few years.
I don't think which game you want to shoot matters at all- very much. If there is a will, there is a way, and you can certainly set up both to shoot both games.
I agree with most that the advantage in IPSC production div. generally goes to the CZ or Tanfoglio.
In my travels shooting both pistols I would say there are a couple of notable advantages a Glock 17 has over a Shadow however.
- I always consistantly get more velocity with the same ammo from the Glock than the Shadow. I presume it is the polygonal 'rifling' of the glock barrels that are more efficient in sealing the gas trying to escape past the round as it travels down the barrel, and more or less confirmed this through chrono testing with a USP (polygonal) and Sig P226 (standard cut rifling like the CZ).
In a down-loaded production load taylored to the gun, this velocity difference can be a bit of an edge (typically it is in the 125-150 fps range)
- less of a 'notable' advantage, but something to consider none the same is the Glock has less bore over grip axis than the CZ (the shortest I know about with most common pistols played in both games actually).
- In 8 years playing IPSC I've replace zero mags and zero mag parts, and only springs in the gun itself as preventative measures with the glock, and have had two malfunctions with the Glock - 1) a squib (my fault, not the gun) 2) a mag blew apart on a reload because I bumped the mag tear down release button and slid the base plate at the same time on seating the mag (again no parts breakage, just shooter error).
I've only used the CZ for two seasons and so far:
- I've had 4 CZ mags fail during matches blowing stages (now use Tanfoglio mags)
- I've broken two slide stops (all in practice luckily)
I have heard similar to above experiences so much so that I think it is safe to say the Glock is likely to remain more reliable through it's life with less parts usage than the CZ or Tanfoglio.
I don't think which game you want to shoot matters at all- very much. If there is a will, there is a way, and you can certainly set up both to shoot both games.
I agree with most that the advantage in IPSC production div. generally goes to the CZ or Tanfoglio.
In my travels shooting both pistols I would say there are a couple of notable advantages a Glock 17 has over a Shadow however.
- I always consistantly get more velocity with the same ammo from the Glock than the Shadow. I presume it is the polygonal 'rifling' of the glock barrels that are more efficient in sealing the gas trying to escape past the round as it travels down the barrel, and more or less confirmed this through chrono testing with a USP (polygonal) and Sig P226 (standard cut rifling like the CZ).
In a down-loaded production load taylored to the gun, this velocity difference can be a bit of an edge (typically it is in the 125-150 fps range)
- less of a 'notable' advantage, but something to consider none the same is the Glock has less bore over grip axis than the CZ (the shortest I know about with most common pistols played in both games actually).
- In 8 years playing IPSC I've replace zero mags and zero mag parts, and only springs in the gun itself as preventative measures with the glock, and have had two malfunctions with the Glock - 1) a squib (my fault, not the gun) 2) a mag blew apart on a reload because I bumped the mag tear down release button and slid the base plate at the same time on seating the mag (again no parts breakage, just shooter error).
I've only used the CZ for two seasons and so far:
- I've had 4 CZ mags fail during matches blowing stages (now use Tanfoglio mags)
- I've broken two slide stops (all in practice luckily)
I have heard similar to above experiences so much so that I think it is safe to say the Glock is likely to remain more reliable through it's life with less parts usage than the CZ or Tanfoglio.
I'm going to be there, for sure! See you then (hey... if you don't mind, bring those CofC grippers
I will but if you embarrass me and close them easier than me I will never speak to you again.
Unless your barrel is fouled up or there's some other internal issue with the gun Glocks are as accurate as anything out there. And from what I've seen they are often MORE accurate than your average Beretta*.
So it may be something about your 17 that needs some cleaning or repair or perhaps you need to find the power and bullet weight that suits the barrel. Or perhaps you were simply a little nervous about the BB course so the slower and more deliberate shooting caused you to "think" more and mess up as a result.
*- Beretta owners please don't slam me. I have one too but the design of the 92fs simply can't be made to be more accurate than what is considered as normal for a service grade handgun. I still like mine and it shoots well enough. But I can get better groups out of other guns that lock the barrel in place more securely within the slide.
So it may be something about your 17 that needs some cleaning or repair or perhaps you need to find the power and bullet weight that suits the barrel. Or perhaps you were simply a little nervous about the BB course so the slower and more deliberate shooting caused you to "think" more and mess up as a result.
*- Beretta owners please don't slam me. I have one too but the design of the 92fs simply can't be made to be more accurate than what is considered as normal for a service grade handgun. I still like mine and it shoots well enough. But I can get better groups out of other guns that lock the barrel in place more securely within the slide.
I will but if you embarrass me and close them easier than me I will never speak to you again.
I don't think you need to worry about that. But just in case I do find the #4 easy, I promise to make silly faces and grunt a lot while closing them.
Nah - wasn't nervous about the BB course, just rusty and out of practice. Good news is I'm picking up a Dillon loader today and will start reloading soon so we'll see if I can find a nice accurate load for my Glock(s).
